What Will be the Highest Number at the MPG Challenge?

Discussion in 'Events and Gatherings' started by Chuck, Jul 13, 2007.

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What Will be the Highest Number at the MPG Challenge? (non-PHEV)

  1. 155mpg

    4 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. 160mpg

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. 165mpg

    3 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. 170mpg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 175mpg

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  6. 180mpg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 185mpg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. 190mpg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 195mpg

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  10. 200mpg or better

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. diamondlarry

    diamondlarry Super MPG Man/god :D

    Wayne, I would be glad to offer my car and/or myself to going on a run that more accurately reflect something that you, I, or another hypermiler would put together. Perhaps even something with the same 30 mile distance. I'm not sure what your duties are but IIRC I'm not scheduled for anything until 2-4 and you are speaking at 3:00 pm. I'll bring my extension cord and maybe I could even find a plug at the hotel to plug in the EBH.;)
     
  2. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Wayne -- I guess I was trying to hint that it sounds like
    this year you're sort of putting together your own course,
    for the clinics, and hopefully you'll be able to pull some
    numbers out of that and have *other* people pull numbers
    out of that, to match up against the "official" course
    results, and that might add some nice perspective to all
    the discussion. As you say, there's probably going to be
    a whole range available, from "i did okay" to "WTF". I'm
    hoping for some decent results on my trip out, for example,
    and contrast that with bunches of other Prius drivers out
    on the forums who are going "51 mpg! This is great!" and
    flat-out disbelieving that anyone can get near 60 on the
    interstates over the long haul...
    .
    Has there been any dialog with Eric/Brad/Linda about at
    least noting results from the clinics and other "external"
    events? [Of course they're probably reading all this too]
    .
    Another side of the "perfect" course is that with the skills
    that some of the folks here have developed, if *everyone*
    comes back showing 99.9 on a Prius and didn't run with a
    scangauge, how do you score?
    .
    _H*
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dan:

    ___Great to hear you are still around.

    ___Hobbit, the FE Clinic course was chosen to be as far away from the public as possible. I have taken Cheryl out in her Prius-II on a clinic driving portions of that course in high 40 degree temps and she knocked out a 91.x something during the Canadian Discovery Channel shoot at the Madison Hybrid Group meet this spring. The item I see most from a new trainee is absolute panic when someone comes up behind even if they have their Emergency’s on. The best way to keep their focus on the task at hand is to remove those impediments by moving them onto the back roads. The main goal of the clinics is to teach the students to glide in whatever they are driving first and the rest will come afterwards. We will add some discussion on Pulse rates and ranges but for Prius drivers in particular, they have to learn to transition that beast into a glide and the rest will come naturally.

    ___WRT SG-II’s, Eric has made arrangements with Ron DeLong of Linear Logic to outfit all the Prius’ with pre-calibrated units including (tenths or hundredths measurements above 100 mpg’s I believe ;)) before they are even plugged in. That is so cool!

    ___Now that I have ranted on about all of this, Eric and Linda have probably devised a course similar to last year with little to no highway but simply longer is all :)

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2007
  4. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    You had me laughing SO hard today! I was running some errands, and the usual pickup was mashed up against my rear bumper. A Chevy thingy (Silverado maybe?); I spent a lot of time looking at the emblem. Occasionally it would drop back a few feet and I'd get a glimpse of the blonde driving it. Yep that's real world!
    Sorry, don't mean to divert the thread.
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Hobbit:

    ___I missed your suggestion about including the clinic results. I will be speaking with Eric on and off over the next few days to see if he wants to use them or not. It will be nothing for us to record and that was an excellent idea!

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  6. ericbecky

    ericbecky Member

    To be honest, the route is set up to make an enjoyable ride and to keep the number of turns reasonable. Most participants go without a navigator, so the less complex the course better. That said, we want to provide signage, so that limits us as well. Ever try to get official permission to put signage on a US Highway or State Highway? How about the interstate? Good luck my friend. So that leaves us with secondary and county roads. It's a much easier permitting process for these roads.

    So it's not so much about tying to provide city, highway and every aspect of possible driving environments. Instead it's a combination of what is fun, shows you a little of Wisconsin scenery, and what is the least hassle to set up.

    There is a maximum time factor added in this year, just to try to keep things a least a little closer to real world. So that should keep the extremely slow driving to a minimum.

    We always talk about how it will never please everyone. And that's o.k. We do our best and we are always open to feedback, ideas, and anyone who wants to join us in planning this part of the event next year.

    We will definitely share the results and have them on display at the event. And anyone who is willing to post them here on CleanMPG, just let us know.
     
  7. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I declare my poll bogus - did not know the route changes.
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chuck:

    ___Well maybe not? Read between the lines. SG-II’s to read above 100 mpg’s for the Prius-II’s and Eric could not mark the Interstates? Hmmm ;)

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  9. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I know it will be different, so it seems all bets are off.

    My suggestion for anyone doing the MPG Challenge is the closer to 5pm you drive, the more traffic and more chance of it hurting your results.
     
  10. ericbecky

    ericbecky Member

    I would not say the poll is bogus.

    I'm sure the route will be more similar to last year than different

    Time limit will be similar to what it took the majority of people to finish the course last year.

    As far as increased traffic; what's wrong with a little slow traffic?
     
  11. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Last year I did not do P&G, so I expect this year for a big improvement.
     
  12. JimboK

    JimboK One owner, low mileage

    How about us Can-View users? Do we have to use the SG-IIs?
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jim:

    ___If you want to compete above 100 mpg you do ;)

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  14. TheForce

    TheForce He who posts articles

    I believe the Can-View can go as high as 255mpg. I don't think we will get that high in the Prius.
     
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi TheForce:

    ___It is not that the CAN-View cannot show FE above 99.9, it is the pre-calibrated SG-II that everyone will have to use for the Challenge that matters.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  16. TheForce

    TheForce He who posts articles

    So everyone is going to have to use a SG-II? I was hoping to record the Can-View data with my PC.
     
  17. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Hi All

    Just read this thread and from what hear, the course should be perfect, but has a reasonable time limit. Am I hearing FASing, P&G, and all the techniques we've learned is permitted? Do we have to start with a cold engine? That would be hard for us sharing a vehicle.

    At any rate, it all should be fun and give us another chance to break our own records and learn a few things. I just hope the weather is cool so I don't have to run the A/C! I know the battery will most likely call on the compressor during my drive, it always does here in Jupiter FL.

    GaryG
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Gary:

    ___Everything in your tool box is fair game and you do not need to start out cold. Eric, Linda and Bradlee are not going to tie our hands by any stretch …

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  19. JimboK

    JimboK One owner, low mileage

    They are if I have to use a ScanGauge. I accept that they're trying to level the playing field, and that I might have to use one if results >99.9 MPG are to be accepted. But to say every tool is fair game is not quite accurate.

    I'm with TheForce; I also was hoping to log data (if I can get data capture working).
     
  20. ericbecky

    ericbecky Member

    Let me ask this for can view users, will we have access to your OBDII port?
     

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