A 20% More Fuel Efficient Dreamliner takes to the Skies

Discussion in 'Commerical Transportation' started by xcel, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Air India is in the Dreamliner game...

    Boeing and Air India celebrated the delivery of the airline's first 787 Dreamliner.

    The 787 will allow Air India to open new routes in a dynamic marketplace and provide the best in-flight experience for our passengers.

    Air India is only the fifth airline in the world to take delivery of a 787 Dreamliner.

    This delivery is the first of 27 Dreamliners for Air India. The airplane is equipped with 18 business class seats and 238 economy class seats.

    The 787 has the range and capability to allow Air India to deploy the Dreamliner on many routes including the Middle East, Europe, Asia and Australia.

    Air India's first 787 Dreamliner was assembled in Everett, Wash. and delivered yesterday from Boeing's South Carolina delivery center. The airplane is scheduled to fly to Delhi on Friday.

    The 787 Dreamliner is an all-new airplane featuring a host of technologies. It is the first mid-size airplane capable of flying long-range routes, enabling airlines to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public.
  2. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Can the Dreamliner fly the PACIFIC- 5000-6000 MILES NON STOP??
    What is its claimed range??
    Yeah-travelers who can afford to fly that far-will pay more to do it non stop.

    Another reason that 800 seat Airbus is a bust- if the Dreamliner can do the same trips non stop-and at nearly the same fuel cost per passenger mile.
    Glad to see Airbus taking a beating-and Boeing doing very well!
  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    LA - Sydney is about 7500 miles. It's also a busy route that regularly fills 747's and A380's. I'm not sure it's useful for that particular one, but that range means it's good for most routes.
  4. southerncannuck

    southerncannuck Well-Known Member

    It will mean new international routes from secondary airports such as Fort Lauderdale. Lot's of people don't want to fly out of Miami.
  5. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    I don't think it'd make that much difference. Existing planes can already do long haul. Not that I'd be complaining if I could fly direct from Portland or Bangor direct to the small airport 5 miles from my parent's house. ;)

    One of the advantages of smaller planes is not needing a large runway.

    But I see both superjumbos and the mid-size having markets. Smaller planes can fly to and from more locations (runway lengths and conditions) while a superjumbo can move more passengers at busy airports where there's heavy competition for slots.
  6. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    At least 8000 nautical miles-almost 9000 "real miles"-wow!!
    I wonder what the range of a loaded 1960's era B-52 was??
    They were originally designed to make it over the pole to Rooskie land and back without refueling-right?? I doubt they had that much range-not loaded!And not with 1960 era jets-spitting out all that nasty smoky exhaust-FE probably wasn't great!
    Another Great Boeing-best ever Boeing maybe!

    You-airlines- have a lot more flexibility with a smaller- but very efficient plane.
    Besides-who wants to breath the air of 800 best friends for 14 hours!

    Aren't they making some sort of "quieter" claims for the Dreamliner?? I always find that constant drone annoying-14 hrs-I would be cutting my wrists!
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Boeing Delivers First South Carolina-built 787 Dreamliner

    Yesterday Boeing marked an important milestone in the company’s history with a delivery of the first 787 Dreamliner built at its North Charleston, S.C. manufacturing facility.

    The delivery marks a continuation of the 787 Dreamliner's entry into revenue service for customers globally and marks the beginning of a new era of commercial airplane production in South Carolina.

    Jack Jones, VP and GM, Boeing South Carolina:
    Work on the Boeing South Carolina Final Assembly and Delivery Center began in November 2009. Production of the first South Carolina-built 787 began in mid-2011 and the completed airplane rolled out of the factory in April.

    Boeing South Carolina fabricates, integrates and assembles the midbody and aftbody fuselage sections for all 787 Dreamliners. Completed sections are joined in South Carolina Final Assembly, or transported via the Dreamlifter to 787 Final Assembly in Everett, WA.

    Dinesh Keskar, senior VP of Asia Pacific and India Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes, praised Boeing's long, successful partnership with Air India, including delivery in September of the first two of 27 Dreamliners.

    Today's delivery marks the 28th 787 Dreamliner delivered to date. Boeing South Carolina will increase final assembly production to three 787s per month by the end of 2013.

    The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the first commercial jetliner made primarily of advanced composite materials. It offers exceptional passenger comfort features, including cleaner air, a lower cabin altitude, higher humidity, bigger windows that dim electronically and more overhead storage space. Airlines appreciate its fuel efficiency, which is 20 percent better than other airplanes in its class and results in 20 percent lower carbon emissions.
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Qatar Airways receives its first Dreamliner... Probably to take the place of some of the Airbus A380's that have been having trouble as of late???

    Boeing and Qatar Airways celebrated the delivery of the airline's first Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The airplane, the first of 30 787s ordered by the Doha-based airline, is also the first to be delivered to an airline in the Middle East.

    Made from composite materials, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the first mid-size airplane capable of flying long-range routes and will allow airlines such as Qatar Airways to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public. The airline has announced that it will deploy the Dreamliner on services to Dubai, London Heathrow, Delhi and Zurich, with others planned as additional 787s join the fleet.

    Ray Conner, President and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes:
    In addition to providing airlines with unprecedented fuel economy and low operating costs, the 787 features a host of new technologies that greatly enhance the passenger experience. Qatar Airways' customers will also experience cabin environment improvements such as improved lighting, bigger windows, larger overhead bins, lower cabin altitude and enhanced ventilation systems, among other features. The airline's 787 cabins are configured with 22 seats in Business Class and 232 in Economy.

    Qatar Airways' first Boeing 787 is also the airline's 32nd Boeing airplane and will join a fleet of 31 Boeing 777 passenger and cargo aircraft. The Doha-based airline currently flies to a global network of 120 destinations across Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia Pacific, North America and South America.
  9. southerncannuck

    southerncannuck Well-Known Member

    If I ever had to choose between the 787 with it's advanced creature comforts or to be treated like cattle on a 400 passenger Airbus I'll pick the Boeing every time. Imagine getting to the customs gate with 400 other people.
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Southerncannuck:

    I flew one to Kia's HQ in Korea last year and they are "BIG"!

    If you look at the pic I took, it has multiple load and unload Jetway doors.


    It was very comfortable and being Korean Air, the service made the long flight better than most. The seat back monitors in coach/economy has a choice of something like 15 movies to pass the time. Great trip with landings in both Japan and China on the flight there and back respectively. The A380 made it easier than the 737 cow trailers we normally fly around the US all day and night long.

    Still cannot wait to fly a 787 Dreamliner somewhere though. It may never happen as those are long distance planes and I am always on short hops.

  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The Dreamliner stories just keep on coming. I cannot wait to ride in one someday :)

    United Launches First International Dreamliner Service

    Boeing 787 debuts on LA-Tokyo route.

    This afternoon United Airlines announced it is introducing daily nonstops between its hub at LAX and its hub at Tokyo Narita International Airport with 787 Dreamliner service beginning Thursday, Jan. 3. The service – previously operated with a 777 aircraft – is the first regularly-scheduled international route operated using United's 787 Dreamliner.

    The flight, UA32, will depart Los Angeles at 11:15 a.m., arriving in Tokyo Narita at 4:10 p.m. the next day. The return flight, UA33, will depart Tokyo Narita daily at 5:55 p.m., arriving in Los Angeles at 10:35 a.m. the same day.

    United's 787 Dreamliner is configured with 36 seats in United BusinessFirst, 70 seats in United Economy Plus and 113 seats in United Economy. The aircraft will revolutionize the flying experience for United customers and crews while delivering unprecedented operating efficiency, comfort and lower emissions. Customers on the flights will experience greater comfort with improved lighting, bigger windows, larger overhead bins, lower cabin altitude and enhanced ventilation systems, among other passenger-friendly features.

  12. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    so 40 minutes to get the plane ready for its next hop?.. Amazing!
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Herm:

    An hour and 45 minutes minus taxi time is probably more than enough.

  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With the Japanese manufactured Li-Ion fiasco seemingly behind it, the Boeing factory in Everett, Washington is ramping up production.

    Last Thursday, Boeing rolled out of its factory the first 787 Dreamliner to be built at the increased production rate of seven airplanes per month. The airplane, was the 114th 787 to be built overall and the 100th 787 to be built at the Everett, Wash., factory.

    Boeing's 787 program is on track to achieve a planned 10 per month rate by year’s end. The production rate accounts for airplanes built at the Everett Final Assembly facility, the Everett Temporary Surge Line and Boeing South Carolina.

    To date, 50 787s have been delivered to eight airlines. The program has more than 800 unfilled orders with 58 customers worldwide.

    Has anyone flew on one yet? Is there that much of a change or is it same old same old with only decreased fuel consumption for the operating airline?

  15. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member


    Are they actually back in normal service?
    What was it-2 months of downtime-costing Boeing?? Millions per day?
    I wonder if Boeing has insurance for that sort of thing.

    On the bright side no loss of life-no injuries-so if all goes well this will be forgotten in 2 years or so.
    Not like the POOR BRITS-their first jet airliner-KILLED their industry-until Airbus
    Eurobus subsidized by the Euros more than Boeing is GOV subsidized-
    Eurobus saved European airline industry.
    It should teach us something-HUGE important industries-NEED- GOV subsidies in one way or another.
    But the Free Market Conservatives Libertarians don't seem to understand that
    the FREE MARKET has no stake in the national interests of the USA.
    The Europeans understand this
    and our Chinese competition CERTAINLY understands it.
    Just like Interstate Highways-except Texas seems to be developing a two tiered hy system(like that 85 mpg toll road s$#T for brains folks can drive 1/2 tons on at speeds they were designed for)

    In any case glad to see a GREAT USA CORP bouncing back with a world beater plane.

    Big aside-I wonder just how light you could make a 1/2 ton pickup-if you could add 50% to its cost??
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    First Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Features New Boeing Livery

    Boeing is readying its next Dreamliner. A larger one called the 787-9 Dreamliner, which is also the first 787 to don the new Boeing Commercial Airplanes livery. The airplane as shown below just rolled out of the paint hangar.


    This refreshed look for the Boeing family began with the 747-8 and evolved with the 737 MAX. The new livery retains many of the features of the original 787-8 livery, adding a prominent number on the tail to help distinguish among models within the same product family.

    The 787-9 will complement and extend the 787 family, offering airlines the ability to grow routes opened with the 787-8. With the fuselage stretched by 20 feet, the 787-9 will carry 40 more passengers an additional 300 nautical miles, with 20 percent less fuel use and 20 percent fewer emissions than similarly sized airplanes. The 787-9 leverages the current design of the 787-8 by offering features such as large, dimmable windows; large stow bins, modern LED lighting, higher humidity, a lower cabin altitude, cleaner air and a smoother ride.

    Boeing is on track to roll out and fly the 787-9, currently in final production, in late summer. First delivery to launch customer Air New Zealand is set for mid-2014.

  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am on United Airlines Flight 32 tomorrow - LAX to NRT, and according to their listing, it is a Dreamliner.

    I cannot wait!

  18. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    NRT ?
    Pretty plane
    Funny I don't see any winglets??
    I thought most/many modern FE passengers jets had them for FE?
    Maybe they have found another way to take care of that wingtip vortex problem??
    Noticed there is an upturn to the tips?
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    Narita-Tokyo. And wow! Being in business class changes the dynamic for sure as the seats can lay fully flat. Humidity system does make it a much more comfortable plane and the dimming Windows are beyond cool!

    It is quieter and more comfortable than the coach seat I had on a 380 to Korea a few years back but that is an apples to oranges comparison.

    USB and 120V outlets at the seats and what looks like a 14" screen for movies.

    UA flight 32 had the best airline food I have ever had. ANA and JALs Tokyo service offer similar quality.

    The wingtips do not have the upper and lower singlets but have a slight slope up and back at the tips. Given the way those wings flex up during flight, maybe their is a different aerodynamics at the wing tips at play?

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  20. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Business class??
    Someone else's nickel I hope!

    I looked up the "winglets" it says what you suggested.
    The short answer is "fancy computer design" allows them to have the bent up winglets(they still call them that even when they don't look like the full tiny extra vertical wing) and have the lower drag-less drag causing wing tip vortices
    I think it said the full winglets have some other name-perhaps shark lets??
    but I might have that backwards

    so the 787 is as good as claimed?? how is it for NHV-I would think the CF would have some dampening properties-
    but my impression was it had "less" sound deadening material??
    so was it "quiet" as quiet as other planes??

    The scalloped exhaust-must not be just for style?

    I always pull for Boeing-and HOPE our idiot congressmen DON'T prevent BOEING from selling to IRAN
    They are stupid vote whores-and will cut off our nose to spite our faces
    Lotta $$ and friends to be made in Iran
    if they-congress-screws Boeing-it will just be handing a HUGE deal to the Euro-trash Air Bus-
    and losing USA jobs
    Trump-a money guy-is less likely to cancel Boeing out than Hillary-
    we had good relations with Iran-we could again
    They are Shia Persians- most arabs are their blood enemies(2600 plus years)-same story most Sunni(1300 years)

    Anyway we should make sure our congressmen KNOW we want Boeing to get the business-not AIR BUS
    Besides Boeing's are better planes-but the good paying upper middle class manufacturing jobs
    same story with heavy equipment-construction and farming -and various diesel trucks engines
    Besides if Iran gets in bed with US-USA corps- they will "act better" since they won't want to lose spare parts
    And perhaps AIR BUS will look less stable now that the Limeys have shot themselves in the foot-
    Cameron-stupid SOB- called that election because he wanted to retian power

    I generally wouldn't favor ceding control of of my country-but my country is USA
    for the Limeys-with the Euro-trash history of horrendous wars-it is a good idea
    Euro-trash need to be forced to get along
    they will deal with their immigrant problems-not like europeans are adverse to violent problem solving
    Guess they had better not consult their german cousins on a solution-

    anyway perhaps Air Bus will have some problems-do the Brits supply parts-ENGINES- Rolls?? for air bus??
    Just kidding about the Euro Trash comments-
    but not kidding about Boeing getting the Iranian business-hope our lying stupid SOB congressmen will stay out of it
    Iran would never Nuke Israel-that nuke they are building-will be aimed at ARABS-Saudis etc

    Oh obviously I have fully tanked up on coffee-so I'm still in a crazy crank mood!
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