A Tesla Killer Enters the Fray – It is Called Ford Mustang Mach-E

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Bill , how much battery life would you reckon might be left in a 10-year-old Model S ?

    I love the Model S , even if it is a bit larger than I think a car should be.
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Tesla has to re-write Musk’s first over-generous rules. First, there were too many rich people buying initial Models X & S EVs, that even Musk’s billions couldn’t freely feed rich people’s EVs. Second, too many U-Tubers got too many referrals for FREE Supercharging miles. One U-Tuber, at least, got nearly 2million miles of FREE Supercharger referrals.
    Musk has to have billions of dollars if SpaceX is to land on Mars & establish Mankind as a multi-planet Civilization.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  3. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I couldn't possibly know the answer. It is probably day-to-day new territory for the older EVs.

    Still, there's hope as long as the battery and rest of the car still functions. On the plus side, there won't be a lack of power even if the battery's instantaneous kW available declines with age given these Model S were over powered to begin with. :D

    Here's one link I found in a quick search. Gives an idea of battery capacity decline.

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110149_tesla-model-s-battery-life-what-the-data-show-so-far

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  4. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Nice graphs (that have been shown previously). Bet Tesla could piece together a graph determining that ever-increasingly abused battery packs have ever-shortening lives(those dots way under the red curve, including Bjorn Hyland’s & Out-of-Spec’s Tesla EVs?).
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    You are speculating way beyond the data sets.

    As it is, Ford is more conservative then Tesla with regards to battery C-Rates and longevity indicating an even more robust system in which to own and drive.

    Wayne
     
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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I’m sure Tesla already has the graph constructs detailing increasing abuse vs. decreasing battery pack life. That’s just simple stuff. Tesla holds its cards close to its chest, because the data must show ever-decreasing battery life vs. increasing USE of Supercharging (which Tesla, itself, warns against). One major reason EVs have increased their popularity, is the vast increase of Super-charging stations……despite decades of warnings that fast charging WILL DAMAGE battery packs. More than increasing EV sales despite EV high prices showing the richness of buyers AND their GRAND DISPOSABLE INCOMES, the certainty of battery pack damage due to Supercharging shows that EV buyers are rich beyond measure TO GLADLY DESTROY THEIR EVs, just so they can get some years of fun out of their toys.

    NOT my speculating on EV data sets, but I do extrapolate the mad desires of rich EV owners to GLADLY DESTROY their own EV assets.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2021 Ford Mustang MachE GT and GT Performance First Drive...

    Autocrossing the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE GT Peformance


    Wayne
     
  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    After making an example of the new Ford Mach-e, GT & hard driving in the October thread, about ravenous Mega-Watt gobbling, I note “Out-of-Spec” short speculations on the new GT, Performance Addition. Truly pleased with the GT, Performance Addition, the U-Tuber, a member of a family of long-life adherents to the Ford Mustang, noted that improvements to the thermal managements of the GT, Performance Addition’s battery pack & better regulation between the re-generative braking & friction braking is going to make the Mach-e, GT Performance Addition….. a great addition to Ford’s racing legacy.
    These observations only enhance my fears that racing quality EVs, in the hands of racing fanatics can & may under-cut numerous electric grids around the World, because of the unbridled (if not talented) enthusiasms of World’s wannabee professional racers.
    We ain’t talkin’ Mega-Watt-hr draws on the electrical grids in an afternoon. We may be talking hundreds of Mega-Watt-hr (more?) draw downs!!
    Fossil-fuel car racers are crazy. Fossil-fuel car racers, turning to the hottest EV cars, are seeing a new world of racing opening up to them, & they will be even crazier.

    PS…..The Mach-e has Blue & Yellow-Orange exterior colors that are superior to anything Tesla has for colors & probably beats the colors of the Chevy Bolt………specially after a Bolt fire! :eek: But, the Ford Mach-e & other manufacturers need some strong metal-flake in their paints.
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    Wannabes like everyone else are stuck in the real world. Flooring it to the next stop light or sign gets old really quick. All in, while the GT and GT Performance are for the power hungry, it is an order of magnitude better than them driving 5.0L V8s and idling away at 18 MPG with 25 mph avg speeds back and forth to work as we are all stuck in.

    A Bevy of 2021 Ford Mustang MachE GTs and GT Performance Variants

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    At parade rest in San Francisco and ready to roll. ;)

    Wayne
     

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