ethanol free fuel - who uses it

Discussion in 'Fuel Economy' started by TheStepChild, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. I see on line that the city to the west of me has a station with ethanol free fuel. Don't know the price yet, but may do a drive by if I have the time tomorrow. I'll be passing thru on the eway, but may or may not be lazy and not want to go thru town.

    Is there a big enough difference in economy and performance to go thru the trouble to get it?
     
  2. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    now is your chance to find out..
     
  3. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    On my Escape hybrid its a difference of 5-8 MPG between E10 and E0. In March 2011 I took my K1500 to Florida with 1,000 pounds of cargo. I ran on E10 and got 15-16 MPG. Last month I made the same trip with the same cargo and looked online to plan E0 fuel stops ahead of time. On the recent trip I averaged 18-20 MPG. E0 is well worth trying. You can check stations online at www.pure-gas.org
     
  4. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Should be about 3% on modern vehicles, near 0% on others.
    3% would be worth about 12 cents per gallon in the $4/gallon neighborhood.
     
  5. basjoos

    basjoos Well-Known Member

    Ignoring the mileage benefits, my vintage Honda engine runs better (enters and exits lean burn more smoothly) on E0, so I use it in the Civic whenever possible. Due to the longer storage life and the lack of hydrophilic properties of E0, I also prefer to use it in vehicles like my F150 that is rarely driven. I also use E0 in all of my small engines, especially 2-cycle (chainsaw, mowers, outboard, etc.) since they run much better and require fewer trips to the repair shop when run on E0, and the ones that are run infrequently don't have water accumulation problems (from the high summer relative humidity) in their gas tanks. Fortunately there is a local gas station that offers both E10, and for an additional 20 cents/gal, E0.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2012
  6. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I use E10 because that's all they sell in my area. :( My mileage is down about 3% from it. I use Sta-bil in my gas cans and small engines but usually not in the car.
     
  7. Do you use the regular stabil, or the ethanol stabil?

    Was getting oil for the xB and saw stabil has a additive for ethanol blend fuel. Anyone use it?
     
  8. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    anything carburated = use E0, and buy stabil by the gallon. I also use liberal amounts of MMO or any 2-stroke oil I have laying around.. I feel a 100:1 or 150:1 mix is not going to hurt anything. Fuel systems in boats and lawnmowers are not sealed, any alcohol will be bad news. Its time to use automotive type sealed systems in all gasoline using devices.

    Both E0 (for boats, more expensive) and E85 are available in Miami.. but E85 is becoming a pain to get.
     
  9. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    My scangauge fuel adjustment was only 2% when I could get E0, now with E10 it's at 8% so I see a 5-6% difference.

    I see there is a gas station in Longmont that has E0 but it is also reported at the pure gas site that it is often out there. I prefer to get my $0.80-$1.00 per gallon discount at the Safeway station instead from grocery purchase points.
     
  10. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    ??
    My carburetor has been perfectly happy guzzling E10, so far. I'd be afraid of E15, though.
     
  11. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Is this a car or a lawnmower?.. I'm referring to the gas in the tank picking up moisture from the air. My brother keeps E10 in his generator for months and I dont think its a good idea with a vented gas cap.
     
  12. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    The same car referenced in the heading of my posts. Cars haven't had vented caps since the 60s.
     
  13. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    The 81 Mazda may have issues with gaskets.. gasohol was around back then so I doubt it... 15% may lean out the engine too much. You can always get a carb rebuild kit... then you have corrosion issues with all the moisture to deal with.
     
  14. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    My 81 Buick's manual says not to use ethanol blends exceeding 10%. Add to that a 30+ year old fuel system, and I think anything more than E10 would eat it up.
     
  15. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    My 70 Challenger is open, the cap seals but there is just a overflow tube at the top of the filler neck, an open system. I think in 1971 it went to a closed system, maybe 1972.
     
  16. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    That may be correct; I oversimplified because I wasn't sure of the exact year vented caps and equivalent open venting like your Challenger's were banned by tightening limits on evaporative emissions. It was around that time. I think my parents' '71 Dodge Coronet had some sort of closed system, but can't recall whether it used a carbon canister. My '72 Subaru had no canister, and got by with venting the fuel tank through a long tube into the air cleaner housing. My '81 Mazda has the canister, as did all cars by then.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2012
  17. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I'm currently using StaBil Marine, which lists ethanol as one of its targets. A little lasts a long time so the cost is minimal.
     
  18. Ford Man

    Ford Man Well-Known Member

    I tried ethanol free gas in my '88 Escort for a few tanks last year and didn't see any increase in day to day driving gas mileage. I use Stabil in my motorcycle for long term winter storage.
     
  19. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Go to pure-gas.org for addresses & a great zoomable map for ethanol free gas stations in your area. There is one station in Longview, TX on the NW perimeter of your city selling 87 octane ethanol-free gasoline at Texas Auto Care, 1100 Pinetree Road, Longview, TX. I'm pretty sure your mpg loss is greater than 3%, as thousands of drivers will attest. With careful records of years of use of 10% ethanol, I found 100% gasoline & switched our 3 cars to it. Our 3 cars' mpg increased 8%, 7-8%, & 6%. As others have stated here, our 3 car engines were smoother, quieter, more often ascended hills without shifting down & responded quicker to pedal adjustments.
     

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