Discussion in 'Chevrolet Volt' started by Ptero, Apr 16, 2011.
I see what you did there. (I hope).
The Volt isn't supposed to make $$-Lutz said that YEARS ago.
It is a Test car-
Maybe it will morph-one day-into your Fuel cell car.
Yeah it is waaaaay too expensive-even with $4 gas.
It is expensive, but what is the cost of a Suburban, a pickup used for a car, etc. The Denali 2500 that Wayne and I took to Detroit had a sticker of over $68,000. What is the base price of a Suburban? Base model MSRP is $41,995. Cost per mile:$$$$
My 1998 Suburban had an actual selling price of $30,000 in 1997(bought used in 2007 for $2950 came with old bill of sale-MSRP was several grand more).
Average 1/2 Suburban probably sells for $45000+TTL now-but they will be dropping now with $4 gas
In 2008 loaded new Suburbans were being advertised for $28000(MSRP probably $40000)
I would bet the average 1/2 ton Chevy pickups have average actual selling prices of close to $25,000 now-a few V-6 strippers are just under $20,000- loaded 1/2 ton 4x4's 4 door maybe $40000-crazy $$.
The problem is no one will pay $40,000 for a little Chevy car.Caddy maybe-little Chevy car-no way.
Buyers look at the Sonic-way cooler-better gas FE-$18000 loaded-Cruze $20,000 loaded to gills-why pay 2X-
Chevys gasoline small cars are good cars-and cheap-why pay $40000??And the Sonic is being seem as cool-sorta's a USA Civic- but better than current Civics.
The Sonic ads are smart-sell it as a cool car with good handling to first time buyers-
no cheapo Aveo stench on the Sonic-.
No one-very few-will pay $40,000 for a $30,000 car(plug in Prius price-and the Prius is better-better FE on either fuel)
Just isn't worth $40000-not even close.
Volt European car of the year
I blame the Volt.
You have to pay for the pleasure of driving a BEV, it may not be be worth $32.5k to you (or me) but to many other people it is.. and prices will come down.. at what point will you change your mind?
article on the GM battery lab explosion:
General Motors Co. officials say damage could hit $5 million following an explosion last week in a battery-testing lab at its Tech Center in Warren, according to a police report obtained by The Detroit News. The blast injured an employee who remained in the hospital Tuesday.
The explosion happened in what GM officials told Warren police was its "abuse" room. The police report said the explosion "ripped through an adjacent area causing massive damage, blowing open steel doors and blowing out windows."
GM has said the battery being tested was not for a vehicle in production. A person familiar with the matter previously told The Detroit News that the prototype lithium-ion battery in the lab that was being tested was built by A123 systems.
At least two labs in the building's eastern wing were damaged, according to McAdams. Smoke traveled through part of the building, a portion of the roof is gone and a cinder block wall was damaged, McAdams said.
The Warren Fire Department continues to investigate the explosion, but a preliminary investigation reports that a gaseous chemical reached an ignition source in the lab, McAdams said. The battery being tested was meant to fail, but there wasn't supposed to be an ignition source, he said.
"We're trying to find which ignition source, but the damage to the lab is extensive, so we may never know which piece of equipment with 100 percent certainty — but we're working toward it," McAdams said. "We're getting full cooperation from the GM people."
GM opened its battery lab in 2009, and in 2010 doubled the size. It tests current and future battery technologies in the lab, which includes 176 test channels and 49 thermal chambers that duplicate extreme real-world driving patterns, hot and cold temperatures and calendar life.
Reminds me of Fight Club.
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, A. Multiplied by the probably rate of failure, B. Times the average cost of an out of court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
How many houses must you burn down with an electric car, Tyler Durden??!!
I suspect substantially less than were burned down by the faulty cruise control on the Ford Crown Vic and the Mercury Grand Marquis. But then again, those cars didn't have an entire news channel (Fox) crowing loudly and often falsely about those fires.
Gotta love Fight Club.
there will be some bumps on the road to electrification.. imagine the explosion if the CNG tank on a Ram 2500 lets go in a fire..
Saw one on Sunday parked in a garage with a l2 charger stuck into its side. Owner glowing said: nine thousand miles - eight gallons of gas.
Where is Ptero??
Kinda miss his Volt was supposed to be fuel celled-
make CH4 H2 in vivo from coal outlook
Yeah-he had a point-battery only cars are limited vehicles.
Volt is a much better idea than the Leaf
and once GM extracts a bit more efficiency from the ICE- it will be even better.
Fuel cell volt would be even better of course
I purchased a Prius PHEV-11 last month for $26K including TTL out the door after the incentives. The price from Toyota was $27,350 USD which provides a mix of package III and Package IV stuff. A package III Prius costs $25,765 USD. Is the Prius PHEV worth $1,585 more than the Prius? Yes it is.
It is not worth $32,000, its original base price, but it is worth $27,350 not incl. D&H imho. Wife averaged 71 mpg in it over the past month. She would probably average 45 mpg in the standard Prius.
Wayne-you got a plug in Prius-out the door-for $26,000??
That is EXACTLY what the OTD price was for out 2006
The $3150 tax credit dropped it to $23,000
But $26000 for a plug in??
Toyota is dramatically discounting them??? That much?? Pulled a gun on sales person??
Or did they know who you were???
Anyone could pick that price up if the TCs apply. I suspect given the low volume, there will be $6K on the hood in short order too!
I keep thinking Toyota will open up sales nationwide but my dealer and 2 in other towns in my area say no word on timing. If I want a PiP (and I do), I can pay MSRP and they will order one, otherwise I must go to a coast to buy like Wayne did, or have Dianne Whitmire ship me one from SoCal.
The deals are in the east. Toyota's riding the CA incentive in the west.
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