Comments needed on draft response to AAA press release

Discussion in 'Website news & discussions' started by lightfoot, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Fixedintime:

    ___I will try and have that check box removed tonight.

    ___Good Luck

  2. Skwyre7

    Skwyre7 Well-Known Member


    While I understand where fixedintime is coming from with regards to removing the drafting box from the mileage logs, I disagree. I'm in the same boat as Sean. I try to notate what happened during each tank. If I happened to get a close-in draft because of a lane change, so be it, but it happened and I reaped the benefits. If it happens numerous times over the course of a tank, I'll want to note that it happened so I can get a better comparison from tank to tank. I also seriously doubt that the media is going to search through the mileage logs, click on a vehicle, and use the key to determine which techniques were used on a certain tank. They will likely report misinformation that they acquire from questionable sources, as they have been doing recently.
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Michael:

    ___So it stays. It is just a lot easier for me to check the All box given I had to use some if not all the techniques at some point during a tank? It doesn't sound good however and with the media grabbing quotes from our posts, it may be better off being deleted?

    ___Good Luck

  4. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    STM the problem is that the intent is for data recording but others interpret these items as approved methods.

    I get passed by so many semis that I have no idea what percentage of them pull back into the right lane soon enough to give me a bit of a "draft".
  5. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I made a little addition to the Close Draft part of Beating the EPA. Highlighting my changes.
    I hope this wasn't out of line, but we need to be extremely clear on this point. People are commenting about drafting in news articles even where it's specifically dis-recommended.
  6. Vooch

    Vooch Well-Known Member

    MY POV is no amount of wordsmithing is going to work - eliminate the reference
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___Sean has the page completed and will have the link up later this evening.

    ___Still lots of wok to do but we are getting there :)

    ___Good Luck

  8. fixedintime

    fixedintime Well-Known Member

    I would say if someone wants to track close in drafting "by accident" track it on the side. Unless you track how often on each tank of gas it is not going be very informative. But I still think that for public perception purposes we are better without it.

    As for the discussion of what to say about drafting - I think I would try to divide the sites list of hypermiling practices into two or perhaps three sections. The first should be just those items that are approved - keeping to the speed limit and the like. A second can be those that are not approved - i.e. illegal. Make that list as long as you want - drafting aka tailgating, rolling stops. Anything someone wants to accuse hypermilers of doing that we all agree are illegal. The third could be the questionable or legal someplace's and illegal elsewhere - like coasting in neutral. That way anytime some group wants to accuse hypermilers of doing something illegal we can point to that page and say no we don't - here is our list.
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___Someone had their own additions in one of the threads but I could not find it. Can everyone take a quick look and add your final comments as this one is going to be linked this evening.

    ___Copy the parts you may want to read slightly different and write in your own ASAP.

    AAA Response and policy statement written mostly by Lightfoot (John) late last week.

    ___Good Luck

  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___I just added it to the Home Page with the title “AAA Hypermiling Rebuttal” on the top left in the Menu section. I can change the title to make more sense as well.

    ___Good Luck

  11. PTDixieGal

    PTDixieGal Can I go fishing now? GOOD

    Kudos for trying to get the AAA's attention on this! Overall I think ya'll are doing a good job on it.

    One thing I still don't understand...and I guess it's because I coast in neutral with the engine on ONLY when there is plenty of distance between myself and the car in front of me and I know the driver in front of me isn't driving like he's in the Daytona 500...I don't understand why they think coasting in neutral is unsafe.

    I also agree with Laurie-they need to understand that we encourage driving at or below the posted limit.
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2008
  12. When will the press release go out?
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ryan:

    ___We have it posted in the mod lounge for comments. PRNewswire is going through a SW upgrade so either tomorrow or Thursday :)

    ___We have noticed two AAA management employees visiting us at all hours over the fourth weekend so this should be very interesting ;)

    ___Good Luck

  14. Mod lounge?
    Not sure where that is.
  15. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    Fabulous! Maybe they'll learn how to drive better? And more safely? And save gas?
  16. Oh. Moderator's lounge.
    No way to view that I suppose.
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ryan:

    ___I would hate to let that one fly in the open while it was "being watched" and while we are working on it is all ;)

    ___Good Luck

  18. Roger that.
    How does one become a moderator? Just curious
    Thanks for all the info. AAA is probably sweating right now.
  19. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

    Well done. Factual, to the point, and will promote sensible and safe driving.

    I am referring to Lightfoot's Draft # 3.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2008
  20. kmactavi

    kmactavi Well-Known Member

    I see that the rebuttal is up on the site, there is one sentence that could be reworded:

    Perhaps "CleanMPG specifically disapproves/opposes drafting on safety grounds alone". (pick one)

    I realize that the sentence is sound, but at first glance I missed the "against", and it would be bad news for other readers to do the same. A negative word could drill that point home a little more.


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