2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Intro and Preview

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  1. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Good. That’ll give Hyundai time to put a NECESSARY rear-window wiper on the car.
     
  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    From August 10, 2021:
    Ha, ha, ha…….Just saw an old U-tube video from 2016, where someone had no L2 charging ability for his Tesla Model S Parkade in a parking garage. There were two Nema 5-15A outlets, tho. He juri-rigged a device with long extension cords (like the device detailed above) & was charging the Parkade, simultaneously from the 2 outlets. He was able to charge the Parkade at 10 Kilometers per hour. So, what was new to me, was old to someone else.
     
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  3. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    If the two (nominal) 120-v outlets are from opposite sides of the incoming supply, one could jury-rig a wiring set-up to provide 240v charging, BUT that might not be safe, much less legal. No electronics needed for that scheme.
     
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  4. litesong

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    From August 4, 2021:
    Well…..With over a month & a half passed, Volta has added about 100 new chargers to top 2000 chargers in their free charger system, the last two in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Gonna be tough to reach their year-end goal of 3000. Volta has to pick up the pace. They have no chargers at all, between Sacramento region & Portland, Oregon! Volta has 213 chargers in the Chicago area, but no chargers extending into Wisconsin or Indiana. A company in Australia is using the same marketing strategy (selling advertising on their electronic displays), so they can provide free charging. It’ll be interesting to see if advertising to a great extent, can be utilized to provide free (al least, partial funded) transportation to EVs.
     
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    From 9-22-21:
    Volta installed more free chargers & is up to 2020 chargers. Volta! Get the whip out! Get free chargers into more areas.
    Some Volta chargers are 30Amps…… some 40Amps. Volta could go to higher amperages, but their plans & actions for L3 chargers are not the right way to go. L3 chargers dramatically shorten battery pack & cell life. Possibly, Volta will allow free charging on L3 chargers for half an hour. But, users of the “free” charger time period, will pay in shorter pack & cell life.
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    I use Volta's every once in a while. Crossing the country on a 3.3 or 6.6 KW charger is a waste of your time. Take that from someone who crosses the country in PHEVs and EVs all the time.

    I have seen a number of Ioniq 5 Prototypes here in Southern California. This past Sunday I was charging the Taycan at an EA 150 KW and one appeared and then turned around and took off?

    Wayne
     
  7. litesong

    litesong litesong

    U-Tuber Bjorn Hyland took the Hyundai Ioniq 5 for a country-dark nighttime drive to evaluate the headlights. Bjorn thought they lacked good right & left coverage, both high beam & low beam, especially the left. I understand what he talked about. I think Hyundai designed them that way to limit the beam’s effect to on-coming driver’s eyes. As Bjorn drove around, I could see what he complained about. Our 2008 Accent (bought the last month of 2007), through the years, seemed to have a straight-line cap on the left low beam that progressively got worse. I mentioned the problem to my long-time auto mechanic & he cleaned up the headlights & performed some other magic that caused the headlights to be better than new. I love to drive the Accent at night now.
    But yes, the Ioniq 5 has the same problem as our old Accent.
    Our 2013 & 2016 Elantra headlights don’t have the problem. However, lots of people did complain about the 2011 Elantra Series headlights, so Hyundai slightly redesigned the headlights for 2016.
     
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  8. litesong

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    Yes, Volta Free chargers aren’t meant to be used by people in a hurry crossing the country. The Volta’s are often in city dense regions, specifically at malls & places of commerce to give people free charging, while shopping.

    Only to people who are short of money(like I will be, once I buy an EV) & people who NEED to get 400,000+ miles out of their battery packs, can L2 FREE charging be worth anything. I will let people use all the hyper-charging they want, destroying their battery packs in 100,000 to 200,000 miles (or less). Such people gladly destroy their battery packs, selling their EVs to poorer people, before abused battery packs fail the original owners.
    Me, I will happily feed my battery pack slowly, hoping the pack can last 400,000 to 500,000+ miles.
     
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  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    For perspective, if you add a generous 30 miles of range for every hour of charging at a free L2 charger, you will have 555 24 hour days of time to enjoy the local scenery during your pack's 400,000 mile lifetime. Or seen another way, if you average 30 mph on your trips, you'll have 1 hour to enjoy the local sights for every hour you drive.
     
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  10. litesong

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    Bill…..You delight my heart that you readily understand the overwhelming, great advantages of long, long charging times: sweet fun, ability to learn, nourish your entourage, & even catch up on one’s sleep, at museums, aquariums, art galleries, hiking trails, libraries, hydro-electric & solar wind generating plants, airports, restaurants, campsites, National Monuments & Parks, all the other interesting places the world has to give, & finally rest in your EV. Yeah, everything people rush by & never encounter, is readily(almost readily) available to FREE L2 slow charger devotees. AND ALSO AVAILABLE TO POORER echelons of society.
    Heck with all this A to B hurry-ness. Let us all enjoy the points in between Points A & B, with long L2 FREE charging times, readily available to us, that will not degrade our batteries.
    Only two items I find wanting in your post: 1) that you did NOT capitalize the word, “FREE”……very very important, that. 2) You assume I will drive at 60MPH or say the speed limit. I have plans to pull off the road & let all the hurry-hurry traffic pass me by, so I can proceed at 50MPH….or less. All the MORE TIME to enjoy the beauty of the World…..& get my EV “MIles per kW-hr” up to over 5. We’ll see.

    I still remember the time, I was drifting along at 50MPH in Wyoming, enjoying the wide-open desert valley the highway was proceeding through, with two lines of mountain ranges, three miles away on either side of the highway. Suddenly, a Golden Eagle took up position on the right side of my small economy car & became my wingman. I slowed to 40 MPH, giving the Eagle a breather & we “flew” in unison for 5 miles. Actually, the Golden Eagle wasn’t that much smaller than my car, which was 12 feet long…..& RED. There were other adventures the Golden Eagle gave me, but…..that is another story.

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    Also:
    Ha haa! Another U-Tuber EV tester, notes the lesser than optimum light levels of headlights on a less than Premium model of the KIA Niro EV, KIA which used to be partially owned by Hyundai. Even now, KIA & Hyundai share technology…..as they might have this time for headlights.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    When you have a 300-mile range, 75 KWh or larger pack to fill, 3.3 or 6.6 KW charging is not going to cut it when out on the road. From your garage, no problem but when you hit the road, 10 to 15-hours is not feasible if it is free or not.

    Wayne
     
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, Wayne. I agree with you. I’ve never talked about “out on the road” as you mean it, “cross country travel”. & I’ve never talked about 300-mile ranges, & 75 (& greater) kW-hr battery packs. Most all my “out on the road” driving will be 300-400 mile drives with FREE L2 mid-battery chargings(while enjoying galleries, museums, nature walks, other learnings, & maybe even mid-journey sleeps…..& then returning near home for a final mid-battery FREE charge, while I walk home. Yes, this will allow me 6 hours of FREE charging “out on the road”, while I enjoy my endeavors, with a final 4 hours of FREE charging, while I am home, with a final walk to pick up the car at the FREE charger. Even for me, 3.3 KW charging is too little, altho I plan to enjoy some 3.3 KW charging at the few solar powered chargers, north here into eastern Washington state (& I do mean “few”).
    I do hope this clarifies what I will use my future EV for. I’ll pull off the road & contemplate the leaves on trees, as those ICE & EV drivers pass, & get ahead of me, as they accomplish all their hurry-hurry endeavors. Then, I will pull onto the road with no one behind me & proceed at 50MPH. 50MPH doesn’t sound like much, but it is 73+ feet per second, much faster than 8 feet per second jogging pace.
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    But, as I’ve said, EV prices for the best EVs are rapidly accelerating out of my price range, due to demand, so all my EV dreams will remain only dreams.
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    Used longer range BEVs will be available to you soon. As it stands, you can wish to do all he hiking etc. that you want. The vast majority of vacationers want to get to their destination in a reasonable time and free 3.3 to 6.6 KW chargers are not going to get you there.

    I have charged the Prius Prime at free Volta chargers 10s of times and about half the time, they have a set of other BEVs attached. It just is not going to work the way you think it will work.

    Wayne
     
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, the EV that I was hoping someday to be my future EV (Tesla Model 3 SR) may have a charger of lesser ability than the larger battery pack Model 3, Long Range. Whereas, the Long Range Tesla has a charger of 11.5kW ability, the SR only has a charger of 7.7KW capability. Of the hours of time I am willing to wait for a partial charge at L2 chargers……will be hours longer still with the SR limited charger.
    The only advantage that I now see for the Model 3 SR charger, is that it will stress the battery pack even less than the 11+kW charger, which I was hoping to be very little battery stress at L2 chargers with ANY on-board charger.
    However, I may not be correct. The power percentage difference between both chargers is the same percentage difference as the two different battery packs.
    Still & all, the 7.7 kW charger on the Model 3 SR with 55kW-hr battery pack is still very good. If I can really charge at 7 kWs while using a 7kW L2 EVSE, I think I will be happy. Altho, I won’t be able to use 9 to 16+kW, L2 EVSEs at their maximums, I’ll get by, as well as NOT stressing the battery pack while pushing the kWs to ever higher levels.
     
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  15. litesong

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    Well……Now, Volta has about 2050 FREE chargers available across the country, instead of the 1900 & 2000, I mentioned about 7 & 3 weeks ago……still not ramping up as quickly as they hoped. But for me, one nicety is that 2 new FREE Volta chargers went on-line……..about 7.75miles CLOSER to my home than the previous closest FREE Volta charger. AND, less than a quarter mile away from the FREE Volta charger is a nice lake to while-away my time. & with a more distant walk, I’ll have a nice wooded park to dally my time. Did I say I had time to dally. Yes, I did say I had time to dally.
    Another nicety, is that Volta’s FREE charger website states in real time, which of their FREE chargers are occupied. Yeah, I’ll be trying them…..if’n I can ever afford the EV I want. For sure, I’ll be able to afford the FREE charge.
    Instead of the Ioniq 5, I wish Hyundai had continued to work with the 38kW-hr Ioniq, & updated it to an EV-only frame with rear drive & 60+kW-hrs. But, it does appear that the Tesla Model 3 SR with 55kW-hr battery pack might still beat an Ioniq with 60+kW-hr pack for efficiency. With FREE L2 charging, I will need the most efficiency I can get. A Model 3 with slowly charged & carefully driven 4680 batteries would last 500,000+ miles. PLUS I could dally for days & months & years. I love dallying at places I love to be….God willing & the creek don’t rise.
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    All I can add is wait until you do. Free slow L2s are a model whose time has passed with the advent of 75+ KWh equipped EVs. You can walk around all you want. When you refuel your Elantra's, you do not park after refueling each and every time and hang out near the gas pump.

    Wayne
     
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  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    In 1960, a ferry employee saw an old couple drive what appeared to be an immaculately restored Ford Model T, onto the ferry. He talked to the old couple in the Model T. They said, they loved the Model T so much, they bought two. The first Model T served them well for many decades. Recently, it failed them & they started using the second Model T. Yeah, Model T’s time had past…….except for this young at heart couple & thousands of other antique car lovers. Long live FREE L2 charging.
    No, when I FREE L2 charge, I will not hang around the L2 chargers, but will shop, go to a restaurant, see a movie, go to galleries, aquariums, or museums, visit lakes, take a hike, watch planes take off/land at airports…….most things I couldn’t or wouldn’t do in my young years.
     
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  18. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I'm not asking for the specific number, but have you calculated how old you'll be by the time you drive your EV that far at sensible speeds, plus take the time to charge it sufficiently at L2 rates while you dally?
     
  19. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yeah, I’ll be very old. I’ve heard about a Tesla owner who was well into his 90’s & I’ll have to be beyond that age. I am so happy to dally. Never thought I would get as old as I already am, so I’m putting a feather in my cap. If I really am able to drive as long as I hope, to get 500,000 FREE EV miles, I’ll put a second feather in my cap. In essence, I’m having a dream come true…..on the cheap……if of course, I get the right EV.
    What makes me truly happy is that my small retirement, allowed my wife to quit her old job & start a career that she was meant to have……AND she is doing well.
     
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