2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Intro and Preview

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] A full on electric with world class specs is just months away.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – May 24, 2021

    2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 BEV Premiere


    Hyundai introduced the all-new IONIQ 5 CUV to U.S. observers. Within the presentation, Hyundai stated the Ioniq 5 is continuing to target 300 miles of all-electric range (AER) despite having just 77.4 kWh of useable Li-Ion traction battery available. The real multiplier here is its best-in-class, ultra-fast charging from 10 to 80 percent in just 18 minutes while on a 350 kW Electrify America High Speed DCFC CCS charger.

    As mentioned previously, the IONIQ 5 rides on Hyundai’s Electric-Global Modular Platform (E-GMP) that allows for more interior space and optimized performance. IONIQ 5 is part of Hyundai’s plan to introduce 23 BEV models and sell 1 million BEV units worldwide by 2025. IONIQ 5 goes on sale this fall with a pre-reservation program for early purchasers that offers special benefits.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Exterior Design

    IONIQ 5’s design starts with a skateboard platform on a 118.1” wheelbase, the longest in Hyundai’s U.S. product lineup. It measures 182.5 inches in overall length, 74.4 inches wide and 63.0-inches tall, all on top of the exceptionally long 118.1-inch wheelbase. It also incorporates the brands Parametic design language from the LED lighting elements to the rear LED taillamps. Flush door handles provide the clean sheet styling while improving aerodynamics simailr to the Tesla models. If there was a hit, it is the fact that Hyundai decided on using large 20” areo-optimized wheels. Not only are wheels and tires that large heavy hurting range, replacement costs are astronomical vs a std. 16 or 17” tire.

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    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Interior Design

    The IONIQ 5’s interior takes full advantage of E-GMP’s nearly flat floor for maximum passenger and cargo space. With the battery pack mounted beneath the floor between the front and rear wheel axles, the flat floor provides more legroom for passengers, while allowing various arrangements for the front and rear seats. As built, the Hyundai IONIQ 5 has 106.5 cu. ft. of passenger volume, 5.4 cu. ft. more than Ford’s Mustang Mach-E at 101.1 cu. ft. and 6.6 cu. ft. larger than VWs ID.4 at 99.9 cu. ft.

    Moving to the cargo volume, the IONIQ 5 provides 27.2 cu. ft. of cargo space behind the second row and 59.3 cubic feet when the second-row seats are folded. For added versatility, the second-row seats can slide forward up to 5.3 inches, recline, and also fold in a 60:40 ratio. Comparing again to the Ford Mustang MachE, the MachE provides 2.5 and .4 more cu. ft. more cargo volume behind the rear seats and with the rear seats folded down respectively.

    A universal central storage center console can slide back and forth 5.5 inches. This movement, flat floor and gear selector located behind the steering wheel allows the driver to enter and exit the cabin on either side when parked in a narrow spot.

    First- and second-row passengers can enjoy the island’s cup holders, 15-watt wireless phone charger and USB ports.

    The shift-by-wire gear selector is easy to use. The driver just rotates it forward for drive and backward for reverse. Park is just a button click. A magnetic board just to the left of the digital cluster is ideal for posting pictures and notes just like on a refrigerator. Hidden cabin ambient lighting brings and surrounding the speaker grilles adds detail.

    IONIQ 5 is also equipped with an electronically adjustable memory driver’s seat that reclines to the optimum angle and has a footrest underneath. Hyundai engineers reduced the thickness of the seats by 30 percent, providing even more space for those seated in the second row. The second-row seats also recline and slide similar to the now defunct Prius v that provides more legroom than midsize SUVs and additional headroom. The sliding second-row also can provide additional luggage space when needed. To give the interior an even greater sense of openness, IONIQ 5’s vision roof consists of one large glass panel without cross members.

    The IONIQ 5 features a Heads-Up Display (HUD) with Augmented Reality (AR) mode. Drivers can choose to use AR technology to project relevant information, such as turn-by-turn navigation, advanced safety and the car’s surroundings nearly 4 feet in front of their line of sight on the road. This allows drivers to process information quickly while keeping their attention on the road ahead. I have never been a fan of HUDs in any vehicle and I doubt that will change with the Ioniq 5s either. They just distract me as they are always in my line of sight.

    Many of its interior surfaces including the seats, headliner, door trim, floor and armrest are constructed from eco-friendly, sustainably sourced materials. These materials include recycled PET bottles, plant-based (bio PET) yarns and natural wool yarns, eco-processed leather with plant-based extracts, and bio paint with plant extracts.

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    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Drivetrain

    IONIQ 5 arrives with the 77.4 kWh battery pack powering either front and rear or just rear electric motor. The traction battery’s energy density has been improved by approximately 10 percent over existing EV battery technology meaning the pack is lighter, mounted lower in the body, and liberates even more cabin space as spelled out above.

    The AWD dual motor option produces a combined power output of 320 hp and 446 ft.-lbs. of torque. An IONIQ 5 with this configuration can reach 60 in under 5 seconds. The single-motor layout with a rear motor offers 225 hp and 258 ft.-lbs. of torque.

    The single motor’s maximum driving range on a single 77.4 kWh full charge is still 300 miles. The AWD dual motor SE & SEL models is 269 miles. The Limited AWD has a targeted range of 244 miles. All configurations have a top speed of 115 MPH and can tow a trailer with a capacity of up to 1,500 pounds.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Blazing Fast Charging and its Free for 2 Years!

    IONIQ 5’s E-GMP can support both 400V and 800V charging infrastructures. The platform offers 800V charging standard, and can accommodate 400V charging without the need for additional components or adapters. The multi-charging system is a world’s first patented technology that operates the motor and inverter to boost 400V to 800V.

    From a 350-kW Electrify America charger, the IONIQ 5 can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 18 minutes. If the owner only has five minutes to spare, the IONIQ 5 can reach about 68 miles of range from the same fast charger. The standard 10.9 kW on-board L2 charger completes a full charge in 6 hours and 43 minutes.

    The real kick @$$ piece of the story released today is that Hyundai partnered with Electrify America to support owners of the IONIQ 5 with UNLIMITED 30-minute Charging Sessions for 2 Years from the date of purchase. Hyundai will provide more details about the charging plan when the IONIQ 5 goes on sale in the fall.

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    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) Function

    IONIQ 5 also provides V2L function, which allows customers to charge any electric device including electric bicycles, scooters or camping equipment and even another stranded EV. You can tap the 1.9 kW peak power 120V outlet via an optional accessory adaptor that plugs into the exterior charging port. In addition to the outside power outlet, there is a second 120V outlet underneath the back row seat for charging laptops, phones and other devices on the Limited trim.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Infotainment

    IONIQ 5 uses a wide, configurable, dual display featuring a 12” full-touch infotainment screen and hoodless 12” inch digital gauge cluster that can be customized to meet customers’ needs.

    IONIQ 5’s infotainment system provides real-time travel radius mapping based on the current SOC.

    Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are standard as is Bluetooth w/ multi-connection so two devices can be paired at the same time—one for phone calls and one for streaming audio. The navigation system comes with three years of Bluelink Infotainment/Map updates and I am sure you all know what I think about OEM maps. Google Maps are always better.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Driver Assist and Safety

    IONIQ 5 is equipped with the latest Hyundai SmartSense, advanced driver assistance system. It will offer Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2), Smart Cruise Control with Machine Learning, Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA), Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW), High Beam Assist (HBA), and more.

    IONIQ 5’s Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2) makes highway driving more convenient. HDA 2 helps maintain a set distance and speed from the vehicle ahead when driving on a highway. It also helps center IONIQ 5 in the lane, even around a curve by controlling the steering wheel. The system actively responds to close-range low-speed cut-ins by other drivers and will automatically assist lane changes in certain conditions simply by activating the turn signal. HDA 2 also adjusts steering feel according to drive mode.

    Smart Cruise Control (SCC) with Machine Learning tailors the SCC to mimic the driver’s unique tendencies for acceleration and spacing with the vehicle ahead. The system is able to learn the driver’s behavior even when SCC is not activated. By observing the timing and responsiveness of the driver’s acceleration and the following distance maintained, the system can approximate similar behavior when SCC is activated.

    Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA) can detect a vehicle, pedestrian or cyclist and can help avoid a collision with any one of them. It includes Junction Turning, Junction Crossing, Lane-Changing Oncoming and Side along with Evasive Steering Assist. FCA with Junction Turning activates the brakes if it detects oncoming traffic when the driver is turning left at an intersection. FCA with Junction Crossing senses vehicles approaching from the side when the driver is going straight through an intersection. FCA with Lane-Change Oncoming and Side makes switching lanes safer. If FCA senses an approaching car that has crossed the center line when the driver is changing lines, it automatically assists with avoidance steering, if there is no danger of secondary accidents. If a potential secondary accident is detected, FCA will only produce a warning. When the FCA system detects a vehicle in the adjacent lane switching into a lane at the same time, avoidance steering is provided.

    Other semi-autonomous driving features include Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA), which adjusts vehicle speed to match the speed limit, and High Beam Assist (HBA), which automatically turns high beams on and off to avoid blinding oncoming drivers.

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    While not a safety system perse, can I just lay here and relax for a while? ;)

    IONIQ 5 has several driver attention-related functions to ensure safety at all times by detecting if the driver is drowsy or distracted. Driver Attention Warning (DAW) displays the driver’s attention level and provides a warning when signs of driver inattentiveness are detected and recommends a rest if needed. DAW sounds a warning if the vehicle remains stopped for a long period of time (such as at a traffic signal) and the driver doesn’t react quickly enough when the vehicle ahead starts moving.

    Several functions work in tandem to help avoid collisions in a variety of driving situations. Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA) helps avoid collisions at the rear side of the vehicle by using radar to detect other vehicles and applies differential braking, when necessary. BCA is particularly useful in situations such as changing lanes or exiting from parallel parking. Another function, Blind-Spot View Monitor (BVM), uses a camera to show the driver views to the left and the right of the vehicle on the cluster screen if the driver indicates to change lanes.

    IONIQ 5 also assures the safety of backseat passengers with Safe Exit Assist (SEA), which helps prevent passengers from stepping out into danger by using radar to detect nearing vehicles. When the occupant opens the door to exit the vehicle after a stop, if an approaching vehicle from the rear side is detected, the system provides a warning. The system also helps keep the rear door closed through operation of the electronic child lock.

    A variety of parking assistance features make parking in a variety of circumstances easier than before. Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA) allows the driver to remotely park or exit a parking spot from outside the vehicle. This feature works for both parallel and perpendicular parking and can be activated via a button on the vehicle’s smart key.

    Surround View Monitor (SVM) uses an array of strategically located cameras to give the driver a 360-degree view of the area surrounding the vehicle, making it easier to park in tight spaces. Reverse Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist (PCA) works to help avoid collisions while backing up. If an obstacle is detected via the rear-view camera or rear ultrasonic sensors, PCA will display a warning and, if necessary, apply the brakes. Similarly, Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCCA) can display and sound a warning, or apply the brakes, when a car approaches from the left or right side and the driver does not stop.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Connected

    The IONIQ 5 brings in-car credit card payment capabilities to owners via the infotainment screen. In-car credit card payment will be available with major brands and allow drivers to do the following:
    • Find and pay for EV charging
    • Order and pay for food / coffee to go
    • Find, reserve and pay for parking
    IONIQ 5 is also the first Hyundai to offer over-the-air wireless updates for maps and multimedia software. These updates are also available at no charge via Hyundai web portal and are available twice a year in April and October.

    Hyundai Bluelink connected car services allows customers to control their car with their smartphone or voice. New Bluelink features include Connected Routing, Last Mile Navigation and a new User Profile feature.

    The Bluelink app displays the vehicle’s range, battery state and charging times when plugged into public or private charging points. Customers can access an advanced battery management system in order to select charging times that best fit their schedules or their budgets by making the most of off-peak electricity rates.

    Other Bluelink-enabled features include:
    • Remote Profile Management stores selected vehicle settings in the Bluelink cloud, with the ability to remotely update and push back to the vehicle, personalized to driver preferences
    • Remote Start Enhancements offer remote seat heating and ventilation functions as well as preloads of individual driver settings for seating position
    • Vehicle Status Notifications inform customers if the vehicle is left with doors unlocked or windows open
    • POI Send to Car Now with Waypoints is an ability to add up to three-way points to be delivered to the vehicle together and automatically set order of destinations
    • Maintenance Alert Enhancement tracks maintenance intervals in the multimedia system, with ability to reset
    With Remote Charging, IONIQ 5 drivers can start and stop charging with the push of a button on their smartphone app. During colder months, Remote Climate Control allows users to schedule pre-heating of IONIQ 5 while it is connected to an external power source. Not only does this ensure comfort for occupants during the drive, but it also saves battery power that would otherwise be needed to heat the vehicle on the road.

    IONIQ 5’s Dynamic Voice Recognition system accepts simple voice commands to conveniently control cabin A/C, radio, hatch opening/closing, heated steering wheel, heated/cooled seats and other functions. The system can also assist with various points of interest (POI), weather status and stock market data updates.

    IONIQ 5 features a premium Bose sound system. Its eight speakers, including a subwoofer, are strategically placed throughout the vehicle for a high-quality listening experience.

    2022 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Initial Availability

    The IONIQ 5 will initially be sold in Hyundai dealerships in the 10 zero-emissions vehicle (ZEV) states plus TX, FL., IL, GA., NC, PA, and AZ followed by a broader rollout in 2022. Hyundai is also looking at alternative ownership models to attract and engage first-time EV customers. People are interested in trying EVs, but want to do so in a convenient, low-risk way and are already comfortable using subscriptions to buy goods and services. In the future, Hyundai dealers will offer a simple automobile subscription service for IONIQ shoppers. This subscription service will feature a single, all-inclusive monthly payment, covering the vehicle, insurance and maintenance.

    The Ioniq 5 will be offered in 6 exterior colors including Phantom Black (Pearl), Cyber Gray (Metallic), Atlas White (Solid), Digital Teal (Green Pearl), Lucid Blue (Pearl), and Shooting Star (Gray Matte). The interior will include 3 color options Obsidian Black Monotone, Dark Pebble Gray/Dove Gray, Dark Teal/Dove Gray.

    The introduction of IONIQ 5 is the first step in the company's journey of dedicated electric vehicles. Following IONIQ 5, Hyundai will expand its BEV lineup with IONIQ 6, a midsize electric sedan, and IONIQ 7, a large electric SUV.

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    The world seems a lot different than just a decade ago as electrification progress is driving towards us like an unstoppable freight train. With regards to low carbon emitting transportation, in a very good way. :D
     
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  2. Chris12

    Chris12 Well-Known Member

    Hi Wayne, do the rear seats definitely slide in the US version? In all the trims? I saw this in some Korean coverage of the car a few months back, but I haven’t seen any of the US green car sites talk about this since the US reveal yesterday.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    Yes they do indeed slide forward and back plus recline. Very much like the Prius V of old! A great feature by the way. Especially the recline function. :)

    2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Rear Seats

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    See the pull lever for fore and aft adjustment. The handle allows recline and dropping the seats down forward.​

    Wayne
     
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  4. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I'm pretty interested to see Canadian pricing and availability on this one.
     
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  5. Chris12

    Chris12 Well-Known Member

    Excellent. I was really hoping they would make it to the US production version. It’s very versatile. If you have little kids who don’t need much leg room but do come with tons of stuff - slide the seats forward for more cargo space. If your job is to drive WWE wrestlers around all day, slide the seats back into position and there’s enough leg room for them too, and there’s even still cargo space left over for their spare leotards.....
     
  6. litesong

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    Hope Ioniq 5 still takes the 5 bolt by 114.3mm wheels w/67mm centerbore. I have lots of 16, 17 & 18 inch wheels of this size. Bet I can find used 235X65X17 or 245X60X18 inch tires to fit Ioniq5 ….maybe even slightly taller tires, too. Should get better eMPG.

    PS…..Is the KIA EV6 more efficient than the Ioniq 5?​
     
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  7. litesong

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    Bjorn Nyland on his Utube channel, tested the Ioniq 5. Slowing his usual speedy driving, he was able to get the Ioniq 5 to average in the low 4Mile/kW-hr range, while moving about 57MPH on the Norwegian freeway. Later, on a speed run(somewhere over the speed limit), the Ioniq 5 wasn’t averaging 2.75 miles/kW-hr. Stopping to charge at one of the Hyper or Superchargers(at Bjorn’s normal drain-the-bat-till-death) site, the Ioniq 5’s 800Volt acceptable ability, started in the lower 600Volt range. In short order, the Ioniq 5 had the amps up to 200plus…..then 230. Battery temperature was 90+degF. Voltage increased to 640, while amps increased to 250! Bat temp went to high 90’s, while battery was at 40+% capacity. With battery crossing 50+%, bat temps went to 110degF., voltage to the high 600’s, & amps to upper 200’s. Didn’t stop there. Bat temps went to 120degF, voltage to 700+, & amps powered into the 300’s. At one point(near the 70% mark & within 20minutes of charger start?), bat temp was 124degF, volts to 748 & amps to 340+. While Bjorn sat in the Ioniq 5, he stated the car interior was warming due to the battery pouring heat into the car! Past 70%, amps began tailing off rapidly, due to the battery’s inability to accept the amps so quickly. However, voltage & temperature remained high. At one point with battery percentage in the low 90’s, the charger took a break for 2 minutes, tho voltage remained high. As the charger began again, temperature fell under100degF, amps fell like a rock, & the battery percentage tapered strongly, as it crawled to the 100% mark.
    Man, I can sure see how things can go wrong if all the battery cells aren’t balanced, or some other elements fail, as in the Chevy Bolt & Hyundai Kona fires!

    PS……I want an EV car when Tesla puts 4680 bats into a Model 3, standard range, hopefully if the US gov’t returns tax credits(or better, direct payments to EV manufacturers). I would swear off Level 3, Super & Hyperchargers completely……for safety & long, long term battery life(well past 300,000 miles). Tho I will have to charge sooner while driving away from home base, the Model 3, standard range will give 10 to 13% better Miles/kW-hr, while charging on low-power Level 2 chargers. Also, there remain spottily located FREE level 2 chargers in several directions from our Salish Sea(Puget Sound) area.
     
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  8. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Well, that's disappointing if the I-5 (Puget Sounders should enjoy that nickname) is having trouble managing the heat of quick charging. Being limited to Level 2 (heck, my home charger is only 3.3kW) is fine with me on my Leaf, which doesn't even have the then-optional Fast Charge feature, because we never leave the metro area and always charge at home. (I do have to say that's probably been a good thing on the air-cooled-battery Leaf, as we're at 65k miles and it still charges to 100% - anecdotally I've heard that everyone who's seeing reduced range used Level 3 quite a bit).

    But I expect better from the newer, long(er) range EVs. The whole selling point is you can take it on long roadtrips beyond 200 miles a day, like a gas car - and that means Level 3 charging, period. Waiting 4-8 hours to refill the battery at Level 2 is not gonna cut it if these are to go mainstream. Having just taken a 2000 mile trip in the Mazda5, and thinking about its someday replacement being an EV, this is on my mind. And we EV proponents have been telling the naysayers on all the online forums precisely that the newer EVs promise freedom from these limitations.

    I hope this Ioniq5 just had something wrong with it that's easily fixable, or that as an early production model this is something that can be fixed by Hyundai adjusting the charging software.
     
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  9. litesong

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    My post wasn’t pointing out the trouble the Ioniq 5 had managing heat. My post just said how much heat is pouring out of the system in 20 minutes. Fifty years ago, I remember the huge dock cranes, lifting 50 tons of shipping into the ships, with huge 3+ inch thick 440Volt electrics to run the hydraulics. That the Ioniq 5 is dealing with an 800 Volt system stuns me.
    Yeah, using 748Volts to pump 300+ amps of current into a thousand batteries in less than 20 minutes on a continuous basis, is no way to get 400,000+ miles out of those 4680 batteries. I think some 70 & 80 amp, level 2 FREE chargers in my region, should give my future EV enough charge to give a nice 300(maybe 400) mile round-trip, while I visit city, county, state, or federal parks & walk some nice trails.
    Matter of fact, there is a FREE level 2 charger about a mile’s walk from my place. As a retiree, I have time to spare & can always use free electricity…..SPECIALLY, A LOT OF FREE ELECTRICITY OVER THE YEARS.
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    PS…..I had noted that 70-80 amp, level 2 chargers were in my region that would help some of my longer EV trips. Just found out that at least one of the chargers may NOT be functioning. Presently, one 30 amp charger is functioning at that site.
    Ha ha ha…..I have a year & a half before I may buy an EV. We’ll see if that broken charger will be repaired in that time period. There might be an equal chance that the 30 amp charger will fail, too. Appears an increasing number of level 2 & even level 3 chargers are failing, for lots of reasons. Still appears that there are lots of chargers to use tho, & I hope many more will be commissioned, to stay ahead of the burgeoning EV population.
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    PS I…..For them there people who don’t want to over-pay for or need to fast charge their EVs, ya can always plug into the standard home Nema 5-15 amp, 110V wall outlet. They only give 3-4 Miles per Charging Hour. But if you have a Nema 5-20 amp, 110V wall outlet, you will gain an extra 2 Miles per Charging Hour or 5-6Miles per Charging Hour. Hey, better 60Miles of Charge instead of 40Miles of Charge in 10 hours.
    After looking all over the house with nothing but the 5-15 outlets, I found one 5-20 amp, 110V outlet hiding in the garage! Victory!! & a good featherfooter should be able to get considerably (?) more than the 60Miles of range. Lots of my 60Mile trips will be successfully completed with “60 miles worth of charging”, with extra miles to spare.
     
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  10. WriConsult

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    OK, makes sense. Based on what I'm seeing, it seems like broken chargers aren't always getting fixed or replaced, but enough new stations are (just) starting to come on to offset the loss.

    I wasn't aware that there were Level 2 chargers in the 70-80A range. Those are still 240VAC, correct? I had thought that most L2 chargers were topping out around 40A. Agreed that would generate a lot less heat than Level 3, and still be a viable option for some not-too-long roadtrips.

    So it still makes sense to avoid Level 3 charging when you can, I get that ... but I don't think most people are going to find 110V charging adequate. It's just not enough juice unless you drive very little. Even just using our 24kWh Leaf on local errands (the first few weeks, before we bought a 240V EVSE), we would plug it in in the evening, and still sometimes find it not fully charged the next morning on 110V. We are fortunate to have a NEMA 6-20 outlet in our garage, which made setup ridiculously easy, and our 15A charging is fully adequate for our local-driving needs.

    Having 240V charging, even if 3.3kW is pretty much the lowest rate available at that voltage, also means that if we run the pack down doing some errands, we can regain a good chunk of our range plugging in back at home for 2-3 hours. When we only had 110V charging, once the pack got fairly low we knew we were done for the day.
     
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  11. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Level 2 aren't chargers, just an EVSE. Very few cars have an onboard charger that can take advantage of an EVSE over 40amps. The only ones I know of in the US are the Model S/X with the optional double charger.
     
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  12. litesong

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    Plugshare shows 70-80A, Level 2 chargers in very scattered areas, in various orders of disrepair, as I already reported. Some Tesla reports indicate they can take advantage of them, as some CCS-equipped EVs also can. Of course, EV drivers have to set their EV vehicles, so they draw only 50-60Amps, to be on the safe side of charging. I’ll find out, when I am able to get an EV.
    One thing I love. Appears battery packs, when treated with care (slow driving, slow acceleration, slow deceleration(?), packs discharged to no less than 20-30%, charged almost always no higher than 75%, & pack batteries balanced), can give very good longevity. That is my hope, especially for the 4680 Tesla pack, which is said to be(advertising?) able to go 500,000+ miles? Here’s to finding out!!!
    As far as 110V charging adequacy, hey, keep an ICE vehicle for the long runs. 110V Nema 5-20A plugs will give you 288 miles (nearly full battery charge?) with two days of charging, & will meet your local travel needs with a (very?) minor amount of ICE travel. If you live in-city, in-city pollution cuts will be spectacular.
     
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  13. litesong

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    Fifteen years ago, when I became aware of chargers, I was agog about the free level 2 chargers. I thought they were only temporary, till society figured how to make money on the charging. Whereas the Level 3 chargers learned how to charge 5 to 10 times the going kW-hr rate, the free level 2 chargers that still work, don’t get much maintenance. BUT…, one company, VOLTA has learned how to make money, while charging NOTHING. Volta erects 55 inch electronic displays on top of their chargers(actually, an integrated display/EVSE unit). Selling advertisement time on their chargers, sales allow Volta to give EV charging for FREE. With 1900 chargers around the country now, they hope to have 3000 chargers on-line by the end of 2021. Watching their progress for a month, they may NOT hit their year end goal.
    But, I’m cheering for them. When I get an EV, I’ll top-up on their free electricity.
     
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  14. Dorean Clarke

    Dorean Clarke Well-Known Member

    I'm also waiting for the pricing here in my country.
     
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  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, the Level 3 chargers have much more expensive, necessary & separated power units. The Level 3 companies make sure they advertise “their great sacrifices”, so they can charge 5 to 10 times the local rate of kW-hrs of electricity.
     
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  16. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I know that, but to nearly everyone it's an irrelevant semantic distinction. No one except us cares whether the charger is onboard or off, just where they can plug in.

    I still do not consider 110V adequate for my or nearly anyone's needs, unless they drive very little. We do keep an ICE vehicle for longer runs (which I should emphasize is impractical for a lot of people: EVs will need to be able to replace people's primary vehicles to get truly widespread adoption), and we only use the Mazda for local errands about once a month, otherwise reserving it for roadtrips or the rare both-of-us-need-cars day. But even with the Leaf's small pack we can't fully charge it overnight on 110. That will be a charging FAIL for most people, even those who only use their EV for local trips.
     
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  17. litesong

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    Your arguments repeat American denierism, the premise that electricity isn’t easily available. Tens of millions of families have 2 or more vehicles (make 1 of them an EV). 110V charging supports the admonition to “ABC——always be charging”. Charge where you can(Level 2 or 3) & 110V charging tops the cake. EVs can & are beginning to sweep the city ICE polluters away. Big EV presences in Europe(special the Nordic countries), UK, S. Korea & China are clearing the skies. American city skies will also clear……eventually.
     
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  18. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    It's important to know if high amp Level 2's are available as they are of no benefit to most plug ins sold in the US, and become a waste if they involve higher costs.

    This depends. With a Leaf or BEV of similar range, yes, I would need a Level 2 to fully charge for my commute. I'm planning on a Bolt though. A Level 1 will be enough to charge two thirds of what I use on a week day, and can fully charge the battery on the week end.
     
  19. litesong

    litesong litesong

    & as stated earlier, a 110V Nema 5-20A outlet will increase charge to the EV by 33%. Also, I just read about an electronic device that will take outputs from two separate 110V Nema 5-15A circuits (hopefully homes have multiple circuits) & puts double the current of one of the circuits into the car! This would be about 7-8 Miles Per Hour of EV range! As stated previously, featherfooters could extend that Range Per Hour a bit. The unit does look a bit cumbersome tho AND I hope it is safe!

    PS……COMPLETELY OFF THE SUBJECT…….FOX is having a 9PM premier of the remake of……Fantasy Island. Sorry that this is too late for everybody, except those on the West Coast & Hawaii.
     
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  20. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I suggest you do additional research and make sure your intended EV will accept the >15A 110V available AC current that you believe will give you faster charging on 110V. Cars I have encountered limit themselves to <15A to keep the 110V AC circuits from over loading. In fact, there are also cars that voluntarily limit charge rates on level 1 to <<15A via software control in the car. I've used this mode personally on a prior EV.
     
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