Ford’s All-new 2020 Escape Hybrid – Welcome Back!

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, May 19, 2019.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I completed the SSs in temps from 46 to 48 degrees F with calm winds on the NB and SB runs. 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70 mph were dead on with the Garmin and the Escape Hybrids CC held those numbers without wavering.

    I want to get a few of the findings on other items written before I get into the Speed vs FE curve tomorrow. As a Preview, the 2020 Escape Hybrid AWD did not perform as well as hoped with what appears to be a 63 to 64 mph EPA highway crossover. Let me graph it and come up with a more precise number tomorrow despite the asterisks on the capless refueling and no SoC indication. I may have some reasons for that low of a crossover given what I was seeing with the kW assist during the acceleration up to the target 65 and 70 mph before the on-the-fly reset that "may" explain it?

    2020 Ford Escape Hybrid AWD Titanium

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    Minutes before tonight's and this mornings 2.5 hours of fun on the Interstate. ;)

    The Auto High Beams are programmed very conservative meaning they hardly ever switch to high beams. I had them on for the last 2.5 hours and only saw them come on twice for a very short few seconds before going back to dim on mostly empty Interstate and completely empty secondary's from and back to my home. Ford will have to work on that a bit.

    Audio quality? The B&O System with 10 Speakers sounds better than the base RAV4 XLE Hybrid's system without question but I found the highs lacking clarity and the overall sound a little muddy vs the Infinti system in the fully loaded Elantra Limited with the Ultimate pkg from last week. Still good but not blow out good.

    Remember I mentioned the crappy push buttons for the RAV4 Map lights a few months back? The 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid has that system beat hands down. Push on the light cover and it lights. Push again and it shuts off. Just like it is supposed to work. :)

    I am also finding the 2020 Ford Escape Hybrids seating and general driver ergonomics a little more palatable to my frame than the 2020 RAV4 Hybrid. Other than the Start Push button that is. A little more driver comfort can go a long ways on a lengthy roadtrip.

    The Titanium trims heated front seats and wheel warm quickly as expected.

    More tomorrow after I get some sleep.

    Wayne
     
  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Just like the Prius. Can it be that hard to design something so simple to use ?
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The screen that displays trip details from previous start to shutdown lasts just seconds but I caught it on the second return shutdown. 59.x out and 64.4 back to and from the local clinic for a blood draw this morning. The 2019/2020 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid can reach it but it is not quite as easy imho.

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    64.4 mpg indicated, 63.2 mpg actual on a short City/Suburban drive.​

    Wayne
     
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  4. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wayne, I just thought of a tool you can add to your test kit. Perhaps you can use an inexpensive 4k action cam mounted (over your shoulder or on the passenger seat back?) and trained on interesting parts of your dashboard so you can easily capture fleeting displays like these.

    Good job keeping electric miles down to that level. (~10%)
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I also misspoke earlier when I stated the Escape Hybrid has the advantage of a Pano Roof vs the RAV4 Hybrid. Like the Escape Hybrid in Titanium trim, the Pano roof is an option on the RAV4 Hybrid Limited as well. I still believe the Escape's exterior is more modern thanks in part to that thick chrome Day Light Opening (DLO) trim around the entire side windows.

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    Pano roof shown on the SE Sport Hybrid.

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    Chrome DLO on the Titanium trim plus the modern fluid profile makes it a looker.​

    Wayne
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Well, here it is. Temps from 46 to 48 degrees F with winds calm on the multiple NB and SB runs. From the calibration drive, the aFCD offset "may" be 0.982 * indicated aFCD. SoC could not be deduced since there is no SoC display. As mentioned previously, the std. display does show kW consumed from the ICE and the pack. During acceleration up to 65 and 70 mph, the ~ .5 miles to the reset launch point in both directions showed SoC. If I had a longer run up, I could have removed that SoC use but the exits on this stretch of I5 across Camp Pendleton would have incurred another 25-mile loop just to turn around, accelerate to speed, and reset at the exact elevation points on my test segment(s).

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    With the Capless refueling not allowing a more accurate aFCD offset and this SoC use while accelerating to 65 and 70 mph before the actual measured runs, there are a number of inaccuracies that could have worked into the curve above.

    Using straight line analysis, the EPA highway (37 mpgUS) crossover occurred at 63.5 mph. I suspect the large 19s took the 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid to the woodshed vs the 17's on the Escape SE Sport Hybrid for example. The EPA highway for the Titanium trim (67.5 mph) occurs at 34.3 mph or a 34-mpg highway rating is what it should actually be rated at. Again, this result could be significantly higher - 1 to 2 mpg higher - as I know there was pack use during the 65 and 70 mph accelerations prior to the reset for the measured segment.

    Wayne
     
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  7. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Looks like a good competitor for the RAV4 Hybrid.
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Here is the front to rear seating positions, rear seat leg/knee room with the std. front seating position for me, and front passenger seat full forward...

    2020 Ford Escape Hybrid AWD Titanium trim

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    Front seating is good while rear seat passengers will feel a little cramped behind a taller driver.

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    Closeup of the same. The seat has a knee cutout making it possible to fit.

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    The passenger side with the front seat full forward provides a lot of comfortable knee/leg room.​

    Wayne
     
  9. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I wish that my FEH had lasted long enough for me to get a deal on one of these... but that's still a couple more years out for these to start coming off lease. That being said, the SportWagen TDI is treating me well. I still need to figure out exactly what the parameters are for the gearshift to lock, and when it will start in Neutral. I've had a couple instances where I wanted to go and it required me to completely stop to either start or shift to Drive. The traffic behind me was not pleased when I stopped.
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    It really is a nice upgrade over the previous gen Escape. Better looking, more efficient, safer, and far more modern.

    Wayne
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I mentioned previously about the map lights. Touch the light and it shuts off or turns on. The way it is supposed to be vs the RAV4 and that mess with little buttons. The sunglass holder felt a little flexible but I did not have any problems with it through the week I used it.

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    Wayne
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I went for a long drive last night to get a better feel for the limited highway efficiency, Lane Keep Assist, and RCC.

    But first, there is a restaurant called the Proud Bird just outside of LAX that I love to visit and snap photos of vehicles I am driving with the WW-II war birds in front of the establishment. I was there at dusk lat night and again this morning when I drove to the Press Fleet handlers shop to swap into the Kia Niro EV earlier today. It was just 12 more miles to get to the Proud Bird for some day shots before turning in the Escape Hybrid as well? These are not the best but I like the backdrop. :)

    2020 Ford Escape Hybrid Titanium AWD at the Proud Bird Restaurant

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    Who does not know the history of the Super Marine Spitfire as one of the last bastions that helped save England during the Blitz.

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    The North American P-51 Mustang, WW-IIs most iconic plane. There is another Mustang that will take the Escape Hybrids place under this planes shadow soon in enough. ;)

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    North American P-51 Mustang and the Escape Hybrid during the day.

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    Another North American P-51 Mustang and the Escape Hybrid during the day.

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    An early 3-blade prop Vought F4U Corsair with the Escape Hybrid at dusk.

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    The Vought F4U Corsair with the Escape Hybrid during the day.​

    In order to keep the Corsair as aerodynamically clean as possible, designers made sure there was nothing protruding into the surrounding air to produce additional drag. In addition to the innovative “bent-wing” design that lowered the landing gear while keeping the huge 3 and later 4-bladed propeller from interacting with the ground, the intake for the aircraft’s turbo-supercharger, intercooler and oil cooler were located in slots in the inboard leading edges of the wings. Air running through those slots at high speeds gave the aircraft a very distinctive sound, and the Japanese tagged the fighter with the moniker, “Whistling Death.”

    Let me know which you like best.

    Wayne
     
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  13. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Always been a fan of the Corsair.
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The Final Trip2 aFCD not including the first drive and calibration drive results. An approximate 5/8 highway and 3/8 city/suburban week long test drive.

    44/37 mpg city/highway rated 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid Titanium AWD

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    From first pic to last...

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    At the Proud Bird Restaurant moments before turning it in. 45.5 mpg ind/44.7 mpg actual, 748.1 mi ind/763.4 mi actual, and a 40.2 mph avg speed.​

    What I thought?

    The 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid Titanium in this Sedona Orange is the best looking CUV available imho today. Better than the European Luxury marques and all the Asian’s other than maybe the Murano. I liked how the Murano looks as well.

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    Inside the Titanium trimmed Escape Hybrid, the leather wrapped wheel and seating are soft to hold and sit in. The Titanium Premium pkg. upgrade ($1,495) adds the Pano roof which in this day and age, you offer or you do not compete. I am not a fan of HUDs and while it worked as advertised, it adds little to my opinion of this or any other vehicle. I did not bother with the Auto Parallel parking. Again, I park on my own and would never waste the seconds to allow it to do it for me.

    Ergonomics are also pretty good other than the aforementioned 45-degree angled push button start to the right and behind the wheel. Another Ford that you can get in, hit the push button start, and 500+ miles later, get out with nothing more than 8+ hours of time passing. Better than the RAV4 Hybrid given the driver seat to wheel to floor to pedal layout.

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    Like all compact CUVs, the 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid with its 106.7” wheelbase – 105.9” on the RAV4 Hybrid, are essentially no larger front to rear than the entire compact sedan class and their own 106.3” wheelbase - 20 Civic, 20 Corolla, 19 Sentra, and 20 Elantra for example. They do however have a lot of headroom which shows in the 104 cu. ft. of passenger volume – about 8 cu. ft. more than the compact sedans, but leg/knee room is about the same as the compact cars from which they are derived. The Escape Hybrid is no different with the tight rear seating with taller driver and passenger directly behind.

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    With the rear seats on a fore and aft track and being angle adjustable, you can find a very comfortable position. I watched three episodes of the original twilight zone from the passenger side back seat angled fully back and with the front seat fully forward just to make sure. Over an hour later, I felt just fine.

    The hatches cargo volume behind the first row is 60.8 cu. ft. and cargo volume behind second row with the seats fully aft is 30.7 cu. ft. With the rear seats fully forward – essentially no leg room for rear seat passengers, 34.4 cu. ft. of cargo volume is provided. While that sounds like a lot of volume, two large suitcases standing up and you have essentially filled up the space to the top or higher than the rear seats themselves.

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    Active Safety -- The RCC works smoother than the 2020 Explorer Hybrid prototype we were in just 6-months ago but its cone of detection is still very limited. While the radar and camera can look up to 46 degrees off center, I would say practically it is limited to closer to a 10 to 15 degrees at most. Lane Keep Assist does not react to closure on the road edge until you are almost on it and then supplies a slight turn to center. It works but is not as good as the Elantra system we tested just over two weeks ago. Forward Collision warning shows up as either a Yellow or Red filled box below the vehicle that appears in the RCC display. BSM works as good as it should although I wish it took into consideration a high-speed approach from the next lane over.

    Pricing -- I did not have a Monroney for the 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid in Titanium trim and Premium pkg. so I found another equipped exactly as ours was. Although $38,090 looks menacing, there appears to be $2,000 in rebates plus another $1,000 in trade assist - whatever that means. Dealer discounts are surely going to be in the $1k+ range and this is a just released vehicle. Before year end, $32 to $33k TTL for a fully loaded AWD in Titanium trim and Premium pkg. should be doable and that would be a great deal.

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    Fuel efficiency -- As shown numerous times in the previous posts, around town, the Escape Hybrid is a gas pump killer! Out on the highway, there are a number of non-hybrids that can best its capability. Remember, we drive a mix and if you are skewed towards the city, you are going to be happier than if you are skewed to a more highway commute. I wish the Titanium was available with nice looking 17” alloys like the SEs than the 19’s. There is a FE hit and the cost to replace 19s vs 17’s is going to hurt when the first set wears out.

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    It may not be perfect but there is a lot to like. Any CUV that can continuously provide 40+ mpg has my attention and consideration.

    Wayne
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While I finalize the Review for FB, I was looking at the Ford Consumer site and saw this:

    43/37 mpg city/highway rated 2020 Ford Escape Hybrid Titanium AWD - MSRP $36,390
    23/31 mpg city/highway rated 2020 Ford Escape (non-Hybrid) Titanium AWD - MSRP $37,775

    Why would anyone consider the non-hybrid 2020 Escape that costs $1,385 USD more upfront, consumes ~ 3,750 more gallons of fuel over the next 150k miles of ownership at EPA combined, costs an additional $9,375 to fuel over those 150k miles at today’s national average of $2.50 per gallon, and adds an additional 54 tons of CO2 emissions over those same miles?

    Wayne
     
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  16. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Towing capacity is the only reason I can think of. Not a good enough reason to me, though.
     
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  17. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    My guess is that dealers don't like having to deal with complaints from customers who have illogical, unreasonable expectations of the SOC. I've seen questions from people like that posting on Priuschat.com.
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    One other cool attribute I forgot to mention. The powered window lifts are very precise and quiet. Lexus and Audi like vs std. power windows in most everything else. I know it is not much but it is the little things and some Mechanical engineer somewhere within Ford worked on that project for a few months with a parts supplier to make them that nice. ;)

    Wayne
     
  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I take that for granted. The Prius' windows are smooth and quiet. I can't say the same for my Honda.
     
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  20. DebbieKatz

    DebbieKatz ФЕХ Царйца

    I LOVE my 2005 FEH, and I've been more than happy about the mileage I've learned to get from it. That being said, the StealthMobile is a box. I'd love to test-drive one of these 2020's just to see how much better I could do with the more aero-dynamic body design :) :) :)
     
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