2019 Kia Niro EV - 239-mile All-Electric Range BEV

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Another little tidbit is that my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 actually fits on the included wireless Qi charging plate and charges through my Spigen case. When you are complete with your drive, a notification shows up in the diver display indicating you still have your phone in the charging plate under the central display.

    I will try an grab my wifes phone for a pic while mine is in the Qi charger location.

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I went out this morning to drive SoC down to 80 percent in order to test that minimum charging rate selection. With the setting at minimum, there is definitely a reduction to 23 Amps and 5.4 kW vs 7.2 kW and just over 30 Amps at the maximum recharge rate. Remember the middle “Reduced” charge level selection showed only a very minimal charging rate reduction if at all.

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    I will run down the SoC down 20 percent this afternoon and try the “Reduced" charging rate selection to see if there is any change vs what I saw 2 days ago.

    Wayne
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I did not see any change with the Reduced charging rate so maybe it does not apply?

    Moving to front and rear seating, I stopped in at the Goodyear Airship base in Carson, CA.

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    Goodyear's blimp base in Carson, California opened in January 1968 and covers 27 acres. It has been home to nine Goodyear blimps since then but with just five different names: the Columbia, the Eagle, the Spirit of America, the Spirit of Innovation and currently Wingfoot Two, the new model of semi-rigid airship that replaced the GZ20 blimps. Each day, more than a million commuters drive past the base just to catch a glimpse of the Blimp — a phenomenon local Angelenos call "The Blimp Effect".

    With full disclosure, the 2019 Niro EV was equipped with P215/55R17 Michelin Primacy MXV4s.

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    If only I could have done this late in the day to reduce the glare... :(

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    Rear seat knee and leg room are tight.​

    Wayne
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The front seat interior.

    2019 Kia Niro EV

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    Wayne
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With the Kia Niro lineup selling at 2k units per month through all of 2019 and the BEV probably accounting for just 250 of those sales per month on average, it is not setting any sales records. However, with the late release of the 2020, I can only guess Kia is prepping an 80+ kWh variant with 300+ miles of all-electric range in short order.

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    With the completion of the 156k miles/20-month Rideshare TCO study in the 2018 Elantra Eco from 2018 through half of 2019, a light duty vehicle driven by an owner/commuter or rideshare driver Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) should look like while running 37.5k miles per year over 4-years.

    The Owner/Commuter's TIV is a bit higher as his or her car should be rated Good Condition at trade-in time vs Fair Condition for the Commercial Use owner(s) and his or her drive cycles.

    2019 Kia Niro EV EX Premium TCO Assumptions
    • The Purchase price was deduced from what I should be able to pick up the 2019 Kia Niro EV in EX Premium trim and mats for here in Southern CA
    • TTL and Registration were based on Southern CA rates and yearly fees
    • Interest paid was based on $2,500 down, a 4 percent rate, and paid over a 48-month period
    • Estimated TIV was based on a loaded 2017 Chevrolet Bolt Premiere with 156,252 miles after 4-years. Good Condition for the commuter, Fair Condition for the Commercial user
    • I based efficiency on the std. owner and rideshare driver receiving 3-miles/kWh. The range is too short for long-distance Courier duties
    • Energy cost was calculated at $0.33/kWh average cost over the next 4-years here in Southern CA. That could go either way actually
    • Full coverage w/ $1k deductible insurance for a 50 year old with a perfect driving record and multiple vehicle/home policies should cost ~ $1,250/year here in Southern CA
    • I spec'ed 3 sets of OEM replacement tires
    • No brakes necessary on a Niro EV
    • Misc. is misc.
    2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e TCO (3.6/3.0 mi/kWh city/highway)

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    The average owner driving 37.5k miles/year is going to pay ~ $0.376/mile while the rideshare driver should experience a TCO of ~ $0.383/mile if owners are paying Southern CA residential electric rates. This would be much lower on a TOU plan or in other regions of the country.

    Wayne
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Is the range on the Niro EV long enough for a hard-working rideshare driver on a Saturday night ?

    I love this car , but I may never see one. I s'pose I could buy one in another state.
     
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  7. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Wayne, does the Niro EV coast by default?
     
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I'm not sure the following fits your intent, but I 'think' it does.

    https://insideevs.com/reviews/353019/kia-niro-ev-extended-road-test-review/

    Programmable levels of regeneration from 0 to 3, with 0 being coasting. Set by the toggles on either side of the steering wheel.

    I only skimmed the article...

    Edit: Wayne has responded. See his reply here. So I guess the answer was a no.
     
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  9. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Good - I think that all EVs should coast by default, or have an option to coast in D.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    As complex as my Prius is , they didn't see fit to give it the option to coast.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    You can knock out a single night but that is about it without a recharge. I doubt most rideshare drivers have the $s to afford a Level3 DCFC let alone $50K + upfront vehicles.

    Wayne
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Neil:

    It does not coast by default or in any of the regen levels provided by the paddle shifters. Shifting into N is the only way to knock out the fields and it really glides. Probably not entirely clean as there are Permanent magnets in the motor but if it is clutched out, maybe other than dragline losses? It is unfortunate about those paddles as they could have programmed a 0 field glide but they did not. They probably wanted to maintain synch so there was not a chance of a pole jump but there is regen, even during the lowest level of regen requested. :(

    Wayne
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Sorry I do not have time to read the article but if they said there was a glide with the paddles, they are incorrect. You can feel the decel release from the lowest level of Regen to N and it is significant.

    Wayne
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    So true. N is the only true glide whereas accelerator control gets you about 95 percent there.

    Wayne
     
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  15. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    No problem. Sorry I put out bad info. I added a note to my earlier reply to see your answer.
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Not bad info at all. It creates conversation and more knowledge for all of us. :)

    I used N more than a few times in my drive of the Niro EV. All that mass provides a lot of inertia. Once it is moving and the motor is disconnected, it really rolls. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  17. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Yeah... I use the same (N) on the Bolt. :D Not so much on the Prime. I like to just tune my foot to find the balance point.
     
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  18. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    How does feathering the pedal work in comparison to a gen2 Prius? Is it easier with some EVs than others?
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    I would say a little easier. Just a little. I could control a no power glide similar to a Gen2/Gen3/Gen4 but with little to no bounce around the threshold vs the Prius' where it is moving a tic up and down every once in a while. After a few days however, I just started switching to N for the longer glides. Getting used to that turn knob "thingie" ;) is not as easy as a lever. Cheaper to manufacturer and makes sense, just no easier. Same with the push buttons in both last weeks Honda Insight and this weeks Honda Accord Hybrid.

    Wayne
     
  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I remember Ramblers having a push-button transmission.
    This was in a time when car radios ( AM ! ) had pushbuttons , too.
    Wonder if people were smarter in the 60's ?
    I like the shifter in the Prius , but I can get used to anything.
     
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