China is building coal fired power plants like mad

Discussion in 'Emissions' started by Carcus, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Go to "Global Coal Plant tracker"

    -look at China
    -scroll in
    -look for "shelved" (blue coded) power plants
    -click on the dot, then the individual dot, then zoom in (a satellite view will come up)

    Lots of these plants do not look shelved, they look like they are complete/ nearly complete
    /if you waste an hour or so looking around on the map it might give a little perspective on the plans that china has -- including jingjinji --- a planned city of 120 million people (6x NYC), the size of Kansas (the state of Kansas!) -- they're going to need all the coal, all the natural gas, all the wind, all the solar, all the nuclear and all the oil the world can muster.

    Last edited: Aug 1, 2018
  2. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    China to add 259 GW of coal capacity, satellite imagery shows

    By analyzing SATELLITE IMAGERY, research group, Coalswarm has found that coal-fired power stations in China totaling 259 GW, which were supposed to have been scrapped, are being built. When fully commissioned, they will reportedly represent the EQUIVALENT OF TOTAL COAL-FIRED CAPACITY IN THE UNITED STATES. Not only does this news go against China’s current push into renewables, but also raises serious air pollution concerns at a time when levels should be decreasing.”

  3. litesong

    litesong litesong

    As I have stated 15(?) years ago, communist china (always small letters) plans were for 1000 coal-fired power plants, plans which they are bumpingly exceeding. "Carcass" continues the vision of the communist chinese (always small letters), to justify the yearly multi-million Chinese citizen deaths due to coal, air, land & water pollutions, needed to accomplish the uncaring communist chinese(always small letters) "view from the top".
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  4. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    .... and the "zero emissions" issue isn't a problem in just China ...really anywhere where the grid has a significant mix of non-renewables supplying the power --- which is basically everywhere

    /I have been saying for some time that efficient cng transitioning to efficient bio-methane makes a lot of sense to me... something in the nature of Audi's g-tron -- but it won't be cheap.

    "In their study, the authors criticize the fact that EU legislation allows electric vehicles to be included in calculations for fleet emissions with a value of “zero” CO2 emissions, as this suggests that electric vehicles do not generate any such emissions. The reality is that, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in the production of electric vehicles, almost all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using their national energy production mixes. The authors also take a critical view of the discussion about electric cars in Germany, which centers around battery-operated vehicles when other technologies also offer great potential: hydrogen-powered electric vehicles or vehicles with combustion engines powered by green methane, for instance. “Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well,” emphasizes Professor Sinn."

    German Institute Delivers Bad News On CO2, E-Cars: “Electric Vehicles Not A Panacea For Climate Change”
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  5. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    China's an interesting place. Through sources like ADVChina and others, I think it's likely that China's newfound sympathy to environmental issues goes only as far as

    A) the Party members can profit
    B) they can easily pick more low-hanging by fruit for good PR, an
    C) they can promote more aggressive and often unrestrained growth.

    Even if China cleaned up its energy policy, China is a weird example of a nominally communist country that's still sort of a Wild West where development is concerned. Chinese culture isn't sometimes oriented towards what we in the West would call cleanliness or quality. If it sounds like I am calling out the Chinese, yeah I am. There's a lot to like there, from a rich culture to beautiful scenery, a variety of landscapes, and people who on an individual basis will welcome you, but from an environmental standpoint, there's a lot more wrong than just the government and what it feels it can hide or get away with.
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  6. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    China Adds Wave Of New Coal Fired Power Plants
    "In recent months, eco-activist Greta Thunberg who has become synonymous with the global climate change movement has made consistent appeals at the developed world, demanding an end to its evil, polluting ways. She even went so far as to sue some of the bigger carbon polluters in the world — Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, and Turkey — for violating her rights as a child by failing to adequately reduce emissions.

    And yet one nation has consistently escaped her steely gaze: China.

    Which is unfortunate, because whereas many of the nations that have provoked Greta's ire in the past have made concerted efforts to reduce their emissions, it is the world's biggest polluter, China, that has curiously evaded her anger."

    From the Financial Times, via inside climate news:
    China Ramps Up Coal Power Again, Despite Pressure to Cut Emissions
    "China is set to add new coal-fired power plants equivalent to the European Union's entire capacity in a bid to boost its slowing economy, despite global pressure on the world's biggest energy consumer to rein in carbon emissions.

    Across the country, 148 gigawatts of coal-fired plants are either being built or are about to begin construction, according to a report from Global Energy Monitor, a non-profit group that monitors coal stations. The current capacity of the entire EU coal fleet is 149 GW.

    While the rest of the world has been largely reducing coal-powered capacity over the past two years, China is building so much new coal power that it more than offsets the decline elsewhere."
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  7. litesong

    litesong litesong

    All this coal-fired power plant building.....? With communist chinese (always small letters) reduced economic gains, that means their "ghost cities" will soon be joined by "ghost power plants". At least, the communist chinese (always small letters) can still report rising economics.... even if they are dead-end communist chinese (always small letters) economics.
  8. featherfoot

    featherfoot Well-Known Member

    someone tell the little gnome, Gretta Thunberg to take her show to china...
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  9. litesong

    litesong litesong

    You can go to communist china(always small letters). You & the communist chinese(always small letters) might hit up a loving relationship.
  10. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    "Key developments of 2019 included:■Globally, the coal fleet grew by 34.1 gigawatts (GW) in 2019, the first increase in net capacity addi-tions since 2015. Nearly two-thirds of the 68.3 GW of newly commissioned capacity was in China. Outside China, the global coal fleet overall shrank for the second year in a row. Within members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), coal power capacity has been declining since 2011.
    Nearly half of the retired coal power capacity in 2019 was in the US, the second highest on record. In the European Union, retirements were the fourth highest. Under Trump, US coal plant retire-ments have increased 67% compared to Obama. Retirements averaged 8.2 GW a year during Obama’s tenure (2009–2016), and 13.7 GW a year during Trump’s tenure (2017–2019).
    Despite low and falling utilization of existing coal-fired capacity, the Chinese power industry is advocating for a capacity target in the upcom-ing five-year plan that would make room for the addition of up to 200 new coal-fired power units by 2025—a net increase of 150 GW over current levels. Given the need for coal power use to decrease 80% by 2030, China’s new coal power cap could be the most consequential global climate policy decision being made in the early 2020s."

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