2017 Ford F-250 Platinum Crew Cab Super Duty with the 6.7L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel Review

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    If you have read my posts over the years, the step change through freezing cannot be compensated for. I did have a friend get into the 2.7L in 50 degree temps last year and his results where very similar.

    Now if you want to do some work for no pay to cover the F-150s results for us. Head out for a test drive late in the evening on some open empty roadways and you tell us. Better yet, why not spend $40 and 5+ hours on the fill alone, to do a 70 to 100 mile calibration drive and fill on both ends. I froze my @$$ off on that all-day, afternoon, and night affair.

    Until then, you only know your car is rated at 42 mpg highway by Honda who probably spent $250,000 of engineering time to complete the EPA testing. Got it? You need to know nothing more other than its EPA rating because it is so accurate!

    Because of the steady states, you know it is under rated, you know what its efficiency is at 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70 mph, and you know its EPA highway crossover speeds. If only I did not have to spend my own time and $s to provide this level of detail to you that is far more useful than what is listed by the EPA.

    Wayne
     
  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    And we do appreciate your hard work to get this data for us , Wayne.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    Thank you. :)

    Wayne
     
  4. e90diesel

    e90diesel Well-Known Member

    Great review Wayne! I have one of these trucks with 33" a/t tires. The truck you tested had 34" tires with less rr. Even with the a/t tires I get 25-26mpg at 55 mph with no regens. Lifetime mpg at 4 k miles is 17 mpg with lots of very steep slow mountain roads. Btw, the actual curb weight on the truck you tested is at least 8000 lbs. The # in your review was no doubt provided by Ford and would be for an xl model with roll up windows etc.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi e90diesel:

    Thank you! And for the detail on weight. The media site and even the press kit did not have a breakout for the Super Duty weights. I used Ford's consumer site, F-250 SWB 4X4 w/ the 6.7L Power Stroke specs to come up with the 7,264 lbs. mass. Like you said, that weight is surely for a stripped XL.

    I will have more on the most refined truck in the segment later tonight hopefully.

    Wayne
     
  6. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Hi Wayne,

    I've got it.

    If you're happy, I'm happy.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    As imagined, when you have 131.8 cu. ft. of passenger volume, you really do not have to worry about head, shoulder, hip, leg or knee room as shown.

    2017 Ford F-250 CrewCab in Platinum trim with the 6.7L Power Stroke

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    Wayne
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And some interior details...

    2017 Ford F-250 CrewCab in Platinum trim with the 6.7L Power Stroke

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    A classy looker with just enough Logo to say you are driving the monster without overwhelming your senses.​

    Notice the C-Clamp design language around the vents and instrument cluster? Also the 400W 121V and 12V outlets in the dash are great additions to any work truck.

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    A Panoramic roof in a pickup truck? If it is the top of the line Platinum trim, it fits.

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    Under rear seat storage. Decent volume and easy access although the Titan XD and Silverado HD do it slightly better. That boxes edges do fold down for a flat floor with a small plastic hump if you need a bit more flat floor area to stow.

    And a few more interior details.

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    The sun visors actually cover the entire window as expected. Good stuff.

    Platinum logo inlay in the front seat backs. They do not encroach into your back and add a little class to the truck.

    The glovebox is a bit small for a large pickup imho.

    And finally the center consoles storage box is large enough for your wife's purse or a small laptop/tablet.

    Wayne
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Next up is Ford's Step Gate.

    I remember the step gate in last gen's F-150 with pull out step and a flimsy pole. I thought at the time it was kind of cheesy. Functional but cheesy. I had a negative bias with regards to the step gate design but the more I used it, the better I liked it. My previous favorite was GM's built in steps in the bumper but this is more functional and the more I used it, the more I liked it. Better than every other OEMs step solution or non-solutions in fact.

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    To begin, you lift the hatch handle and the damped tailgate drops.

    1. Unlatch the tailgate
    2. Allow the damped tailgate to drop
    3. Pull out the stepgate out of the tailgate
    4. Pull the Pole straight out until the pivot locks
    5. Lift the Pole 90 degrees until it locks
    6. Push a small insert and lift the inner pole the rest of the way up until it locks

    This all takes maybe 20-seconds at most from the time you drop the tailgate until the stepgate is setup and ready for you to step up into the box.

    To put the step gate away, you begin by pushing the pole toggle half way up the pole and drop the top half into the bottom half. Push a toggle at the bottom of the pole so that you can tilt the pole down to horizontal. Insert the pole into the tailgate storage until it clicks. Lift the step up and slide into the tail gate. Close the tailgate and you are ready to roll once again.

    It is much sturdier and easier to work than the previous first generation stepgate and after a few uses, I think you will find it is a pretty good design. Its width is what I find useful. Meaning you can stand on it with two feet side by side. No other solution offers this.

    I really should have completed a full HiDef video for YouTuve than the Low Res GoLive I posted on FaceBook two weeks ago.

    Wayne
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And the Super Duty's real reason for being comes about partially from this 440 hp and 925 lb-ft. of torque monster called Power Stroke.

    2017 Ford Super Duty Drivetrain

    2017 Ford F-250 Super Duty - 6.7L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel

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    The 6.7L V8 Turbo Diesel is very manageable like its first generation was. It is quieter than its competitors and delivers the goods without much fuss. Meaning that beyond the first 15 mph when you get the turbo spinup and more noise than a gasoline fuel engine, it is as quiet as a luxury sedan going down the highway. Triple door seals and I am assuming acoustic glass, great hydraulic mounts, and good noise abatement treatment make it "feel" somewhat more refined than any of its competitors. Again chassis and interior noise abatement solutions help but there is an eerily comforting feeling about driving the Super duty when it comes to how little the monster TD under the hood intrudes into the interior spaces.

    On the efficiency front, it cannot match the superlative 6.7L Cummins I6 but it easily surpasses both the GM 6.6L Duramax and the low geared 5.0L Cummins in the Titan XD.

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    I also do not believe the new second gen 6.7L matches the first gen 6.7L Power Strokes efficiency capability despite comments to the contrary. In our drive of the 2011 $x$ Crew with the first gen Power Stroke, 28 to 29 was pretty easy to achieve in much more challenging conditions while crossing half the country. This new second gen would be more along the lines of 26 to 27 mpg on the same run. Darn efficient for a 7,500+ lb HD pickup but just not to the level that the previous gen provided.

    Overall, a very well tamed, super powerful, and dare I say reasonably efficient Powertrain in the Ford Super Duty.

    The few shortcomings include one item they tightened up but have not reached the levels of the Titan XD and Silverado in particular. That is the hydraulic steering action and feel. While the 4+ degrees of side to side slop has been eliminated vs. the 2011 we drove 6 years ago, there is still a vagueness and maybe 2 degrees of wheel slop that has not been tuned out of the monster. An area that will forever need work when you are talking about trucks that can tow 15k lbs.

    Seating comfort was good and from the front and rear seat pic posted above, there is a lot of lower thigh support for all occupants. I think the RAM front seats are a bit more comfortable due to a slightly longer lower seat cushion length.

    This truck arrived with the two 40-amp switches (ignition on or off) plus four 25-amp switches (ignition on) upfitter aux switches located directly in front of the sunglass holder. I did not have any upfit equipment so there was no need to use them but I did accidentally flip the furthest left switch to on three times while removing or storing my sunglasses. An owner would soon get used to this location without accidentally powering up a system.

    2017 Ford Super Duty Infotainment

    Most here probably remember that Ford's SYNC 2 with MyFord Touch was pretty crappy. Voice commands did not work worth a damn, some of the voice controls did other things, and the system would sometimes either lockup or lock you out. The SYNC 3 system on the 2017 worked as advertised. To move through the Navigation menu required a strict regimen of requesting NAVI and then town and street however. If you followed the steps and waited until it was ready, it did a reasonable job of taking your directions. Maybe a 50 percent failure rate. However, the Super Duty did not have Android Auto. Anyone that has used that system knows it offers superior traffic but more importantly, Voice directions to "the address" and 90 percent of the time it brings up that address. No screwing around. SYNC 3 in the Super Duty does not include it.

    The around view birds eye monitor was great! When you have a large truck like this, the birds eye view is a godsend. It is not the only pickup to offer the solution but I can say it provided the view we would all like to have when maneuvering something this big around small car America.

    The powerful Sony Audio was pretty good although that did not include compressed XM listening since the Press Loaners XM subscription had run out.

    2017 Ford Super Duty Safety

    NHTSA has recently rated the 2017 Ford Crew Cab with a 4 out of 5-stars. Not bad. What is new is the available new advanced safety features for the all-new truck. Namely blind spot monitoring (BLIS) with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA), Lane Keeping Alert, plus Adaptive Cruise Control and Collision Warning with Brake Support.

    The BLIS and RCTA systems worked excellent. An easy A grade for those two. Obviously, they are there to prevent you from veering onto an occupied lane or backing out of a parking spot with another vehicle with the right of way already driving by.

    The Lane Keeping Alert and Adaptive Cruise Control were a mixed bag. The Lane Keep alert system would only see the lanes about 90 percent of the time and warn with wheel vibration maybe 75 percent of the time when crossing into another lane without making an intentional signal to do so. The Radar CC was smooth enough but its view off the corners seemed limited. Meaning a merger would have the truck take out the back of the car or truck merging vs. slowing the truck down to keep a safe distance. This system needs work compared to many of the car systems we have driven in the recent past.

    Since I did not have a trailer to tow so my commentary about the Trailer Towing system would be an outright guess at best.

    2017 Ford Super Duty Conclusions

    2017 Ford Super Duty

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    Parked next to a 2014 Ford F-150 Raptor at Ford's LA Press Fleet Offices. Ford's two biggest money makers side by side.​

    All-in, Ford's F-Series and Super Duty pickup has earned the title of the best-selling truck for decades running due to the entire package. In this case, maximum capability and dare I say "refinement". While competitors may have the all-new Super Duty beat in a few areas - Ram's exterior looks, I6 Cummins efficiency, and price, GM's electro-hydraulic steering and bumper steps, and Nissan's chrome exterior appearance and lower price, it is the whole package of refinement we drive for tens if not hundreds of thousands of miles and the Ford has the edge in that attribute by a solid margin.

    It was a good week in this much-anticipated HD Super Duty Pickup provided by Ford PR.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And I will call that a wrap. :)

    Wayne
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A low res vid of the 2017 Ford F-250 Super Duty thanks to Facebook's down compression garbage but it gives you a very quick overview of what this truck has to offer in video vs. reading the pages of stuff posted over the pat number of posts in this review.


    Wayne
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A little update on the 2020 Ford Super Duty...

    The new 2020 F-Series Super Duty with the third gen 6.7L PowerStroke has been updated with more power and capability. From the 440 hp and 925 lb-ft. of torque
    in the 2017 we drove, the PowerStroke has been uprated to 475 hp and 1,050 lb-ft of torque and is now mated to an all-new 10-speed HD AT.

    2020 Ford F-350

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    At work...​

    In F-450 trim, the Super Duty can now tow an outrageous 37,000 pounds via gooseneck, 32,500 pounds fifth wheel, and 24,000 lbs when towing conventionality from a Receiver hitch. Maximum towing capacity increases across all Super Duty pickup series – F-250, F-350 and F-450 – versus the outgoing model.

    The "Tremor" Off-Road Package w/ the PowerStroke has a maximum tow rating of 15,000 pounds for conventional and 21,900 pounds for gooseneck trailers.

    For the working trucks, Super Duty is now available with the brands Pro Trailer Backup Assist making negotiating even the largest trailers into the tightest of spaces as easy as turning a dial. The Trailer Reverse Guidance shows trailer angle and direction and provides steering suggestions to most efficiently direct a trailer backward.

    For 2020, Super Duty now includes standard FordPass Connect with an embedded 4G LTE modem and Wi-Fi access for up to 10 devices. While a dedicated Wi-Fi Hotspot router is a nice touch, the data charges vs just using your unlimited data phone setup as a Wi-Fi Hotspot makes a lot more sense and is far less costly. I digress...

    The SuperDuty can be equipped with Qi wireless charging and new USB-C ports to power the latest Android devices.

    Standard features on XLT and above Super Duty trim levels include Lane-Keeping Alert and Blind Spot Information System with Trailer Coverage to monitor for vehicles in blind spots. Also standard on XLT and above is Pre-Collision Assist with Automatic Emergency Braking. Should an accident occur, second-row seat belt pretensioners, standard on all Super Duty models, are activated.

    2020 Ford F-Series Super Duty is built in Louisville, Kentucky, and Avon Lake, Ohio. The new 2020 Super Duty's start shipping to dealers by year-end.

    Wayne
     
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