2016 RAM 1500 HFE EcoDiesel Review

Discussion in 'Chrysler' started by xcel, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Some of the on-road shenanigans while driving across Utah while on our way from LA to Denver without refueling.

    There is a reason I kind of like this job. :)



    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And the final...



    Wayne
     
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  3. rhwinger

    rhwinger Well-Known Member

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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bob:

    Wait until you see all of this stuff I am using now. You are going to have some fun with it. :)

    Wayne
     
  5. wxman

    wxman Well-Known Member

    Wayne,

    Thank you for the report on the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel!

    This is EXACTLY why diesel vehicles work best for me. I am retired from full-time work and much of my driving over the course of a year is taken up by 6 or 7 long-distance drives to visit family or vacation destinations, most 600+ miles. I can make all of these drives on a single tank of fuel in our diesel vehicle.

    Meanwhile, all of these folks trying to force BEVs down our throats say that everyone has to make bathroom stops during drives that long anyway, so having to recharge every 200 miles or so isn't an issue (even if the routes have enough superchargers from which to recharge, which the ones I use don't). That would add AT LEAST an hour to those trips (not that I have anything against BEV fundamentally).

    Thanks again and here's hoping the VW diesel emissions issue doesn't eliminate diesel vehicles from North America anytime soon.
     
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  6. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I like that part about my car as well, being able to basically do a day's driving without having to fill. One thing I learned from our Audi cross-country drive a couple years ago is that the best way to maintain a good average speed is to minimize the time spent not moving.
     
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  7. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    If I recall correctly (and I sometimes do ) , we had one short rest stop in the middle of a 800-900 mile tank. Does that sound right ?
     
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I don't know that "forcing BEVs down our throats" is a fair portrayal. For those whose needs fit a BEV, great. Wxman, I don't know your circumstances so I didn't know why you were comparing the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel to the a BEV, but the only other requirement I saw was the desire to drive 600 miles at a stretch, and a diesel truck is not a mandatory vehicle for that purpose. I must assume that other needs in your life calls for the capabilities of a diesel pickup, so that would make the Ram EcoDiesel a good choice. I don't know of any mainstream BEV (or sedans or SUVs for that matter) that could replace a pickup truck in the unique cargo hauling uses of a pickup.

    I agree wholeheartedly regarding stops killing the moving average speed, and I don't think increasing the intervening on-the-move speed as a responsible alternative. It's really hard when a passenger has a weak bladder or needs to hydrate constantly, though. :) Frequent stops probably hurt average fuel economy as well.

    Cheers,
    Bill
     
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  9. wxman

    wxman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, you're right Bill. I probably shouldn't have brought BEVs into the discussion about pickup trucks.

    I have been discussing the benefits and disbenefits of electric vs. diesel on other sites, and was still thinking about those discussions, I guess. It gets boring being told that you have no right to own/operate a diesel vehicle because it emits nothing but death and destruction, and I carried those feelings over into this discussion. My apologies.
     
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  10. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wxman, I see where you're coming from now. Thanks, and apologies weren't needed but appreciated nonetheless. It's good that you're passionate about your beliefs and I can even see how constant extremism from conservationists can get annoying. :)

    Best regards,
    Bill
     
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  11. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    That whole trip went by in a blur. I remember one or two of the early ones, the one where we stopped to fill and be filmed, and at one we acquired a loaf of bread. The most memorable to me was the one in the middle of the night before arriving in NYC, where I finally got to relax and stretch out a little.
     
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  12. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    I just remember we (Q5) had to make an extra pit stop to accommodate a sick passenger. Then I had to go a "little" faster to catch up to the rest of the group.
     
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  13. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Cool truck
    Where is your photogenic co-pilot?
    Charlie
     
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  14. Do I remember hearing or reading somewhere that ram said the truck gets better highway mpg with the side steps?
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi James:

    Yes, the 29 mpg highway rated HFE trim comes with sidesteps and RAM specifically stated it provided a little boost in efficiency thanks to better aero.

    Wayne
     
  16. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Slight aside on how cars and mpg have changed.
    In 1976 or so we drove some of those same highways in Colo-Eisenhower tunnel etc on a trip in Colo-
    3 adults plenty of luggage-probably 700 miles round trip
    It was in a rental -midsized GM car-with a Pitiful neutered V-8- 350 maybe-or perhaps 305 or 307
    We averaged 10 mpg-doing 65-70 mph-all highway-but plenty of it was climbing-and all was at over 4000 feet.
    The car-COULDN'T do more than 80 mph-WOT- no way-topped out about 78-81mph-
    because of the altitude-carburetors-lowered compression- primitive fuel and ignition management-
    Now this 5000 lb big truck gets 3.5x the mpg-probably could hit 125mph if it wasn't governed-
    and the Altitude IMPROVES mpg becauee of lower drag
    the TD probably just dials up the boost and can still make its claimed HP at 6000 feet!!

    Times have changed-for the better-car/truck wise.
    Naturally aspirated Carbureted cars HATED altitude gains back in the day.
    Now my 1998 suburban actually gets -1 -1.5 mpg better on level roads at 4000 ft or so vs sea level.

    Charlie
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    Great look back reply!

    I remember when the Datsun B-210 Honey Bee with a 4-speed MT was released and touting its 29 mpg highway before the two EPA offsets or the 08 changes. About 20 mpg highway today. The RAM 1500 with the 3.6L Pentastar, 3.0L EcoDiesel, and probably the 5.7L HEMI could bury that little compact from a bygone era.

    The world has come a long ways since those days.

    Wayne
     
  18. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    "You've come a long way, baby.". Anyone remember that slogan about women from way back?
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I do remember a B-210 hatchback with manual getting an actual 47 MPG highway. But I also a remember a 210 sedan ( my wife's ) that would NOT do better than 29 MPG at 55 MPH on level ground. Nissan , in their infinite wisdom , sold the 210 with two different engines. One was "okay" to run with leaded gas , one required unleaded. My wife bought her car with her father's advice. He was a moron. As it turned out , the leaded engine combined with 3-spd auto and A/C was a horrible combination. We could not go faster than 40 MPH in 2nd gear crossing the continental divide. Good times.

    I also know women of my generation who say that the feminist movement was one of the worst things to happen to women.
     
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  20. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Wayne-yep cars are 3x as good as they were "back when"
    A V-6 Honda Accord-right off the showroom floor
    1)Will out accelerate 99.9% of the muscle car era cars
    2)5x the 65 mph FE of any car that could beat or approach its 0-60 2/5x the FE of the average car of that era
    3)Soooo much safer-brakes crash protection-

    Bill in Mass- wasn't that a cigarette slogan-maybe a menthol cigarette(menthol was put in cigarettes because it is a topical anesthetic-decreases cough reflex-so new smokers can get hooked(same reason it is in cough drops)-
    Maybe it was Virginia Slims?? Horribly effective advertising-
    Mass?? I have cousins in Fall River-which was a run down textile mill town when I was last there in 1959-the mills were moving to cheaper labor no unions south-then overseas

    Edwin-yeah ATs of that era-were pitiful-
    on the other hand-like your MT 210-we had a 1985 Corolla-5 speed MT- it got honest 42 mpg with 5 adults stuffed in-at 65 mph!
    It didn't get "great by current standards city FE-maybe 25 mpg" it was LIGHT- maybe just 2100 lbs??

    Charlie
     
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