Buying a used hybrid

Discussion in 'General' started by MT bucket, Apr 18, 2014.

  1. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    If you're putting in that many miles, mostly highway, you may also want to consider a Volkswagen TDI. Should be as good or better than the Prius Liftback on the highway, and still very good in town. I regularly see Golfs advertised in the $22k-23k range (for MTs, so probably add another 1k for automatic). Golf will have cargo space in the same approximate ballpark as the regular Prius. If you need more space you could also look at the Jetta SportWagen TDI, which also puts you in the same price (and cargo space) range as a new Prius V.

    I'm a Minnesota native and visit there regularly. Lots of people there have TDIs and they work just fine in the climate there. They do take much longer to warm up than gas cars, so it is helpful to have an outlet to plug it in. With a coolant heater you can have instant heat from the moment you start the car (put it on a timer to come on an hour before you get in the car, so it doesn't run up your power bill too much).

    Do not under any circumstances buy a Volkswagen without an extended warranty, though, especially with the number of miles you drive. Just make sure to include that in your budget calculations.

    I'm assuming you need a hatchback for your courier duties, but the items you're carrying are small and a sedan is an option, you could also consider the Chevy Cruze diesel. Automatic only, easily available for under $23k despite the $26k MSRP, and rated 46mpg highway. Should provide similar mpg to a VW TDI if not slightly better.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2014
  2. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Interesting suggestions, but i really want to go the hybrid route, I do have more miles by far on the highway, but i spend much time in the city, and stuck in traffic, and I don't want a car that keeps burning fuel when not under power :) Extended warranty? Ruhroh ;)
     
  3. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Good point, and a hybrid will definitely do better in the city. In diesels' defense, though, they idle more than twice as efficiently as comparably sized gas engines.
     
  4. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Twice zero is zero.
     
  5. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Not when your scangauge is telling you how many gallons you burn for every hour in stopped traffic. ;)

    To VW's credit, I'm not aware of any problems with the Jetta TDI wagon that my inlaws bought new 3-ish years ago. My brother in law bought a new '06 Passat that's now well into the 100k range (or whatever the timing belt interval is on the old turbo 4-pot) without any serious ailments that I'm aware of. I'd still pick a Toyota hybrid over a VW for reliability based on actual data, obviously. (I have become a fan of True Delta.)

    Our two Prius completely sold me on HSD. Only one of them (mine) ever put a toe out of line, and that was when the inverter coolant pump failed. $125 worth of DIY repair later I imagine it would have been good for a long while more. It was the ergonomics that killed it for me. It's been 20 months since trading it and my knee/shoulder problems are still completely gone. One or the other had to give in order to use the wheel and pedals at the same time. I might look at the Gen IV whenever that comes out but I would have to take one on a weekend road trip before I felt comfortable (literally) buying.
     
  6. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    It doesn't matter whether you know the rate at which your engine is burning petroleum. If it's burning the stuff without producing useful output, its efficiency (mechanical power output divided by rate of fuel energy in) is zero. If one says engine A wastes fuel twice as fast as engine B while idling in traffic, that would make sense.

    If I were confident recent VWs are more reliable than they were not so long ago, I might consider buying one next time, but my impression is that the jury's still out on that one.
     
  7. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    My comment wasn't meant to be taken literally. The point was that it isn't practical reduce idle fuel consumption to a binary problem. Reducing idle consumption from 0.4gph to 0.1gph makes a big dent even if it isn't zero. Not to mention that hybrid energy consumption isn't actually zero when stopped in traffic. It's just consuming stored energy from the pack to further reduce effective idle fuel consumption below what a non-hybrid could ever accomplish. In the case of the diesel it doesn't make sense belittle a significant improvement vs. a gas counterpart just because it isn't the best it could possibly be.
     
  8. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I didn't deny or belittle the very real advantage of lower idle consumption, only the dubious math in the way that advantage was stated.
     
  9. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Hello everyone. Just got back from Walser Toyota in Bloomington Minnesota. Test drove a '10, and '13 prius twos. I really like them a lot! I am going with the 2013, A bit newer than i was planning, but it was not much more expensive than the 2010, and it seemed like a better car, and had more options. I just did the math, and just cutting my fuel consumption is going to more than make up for my monthly payment with the 200 plus miles I drive everyday. plus the huge cost of repairs I need to keep putting the big miles on the ranger, this is going to actually be quite a bit cheaper for me. Plus I like knowing I am cutting my carbon emissions too! I have a three day return if i decide I don't like it after all, but I doubt I will have any problems. The ranger had little trade value because of the ridiculous mileage, so I will keep it around for towing and hauling when needed. It still runs good and will probably last many years with very limited use. Thanks everyone.
    MT
     
  10. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the new to you Prius! Hope it works well for you.
     
  11. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member

    Good deal! I know that this coming year, 2015, is the one I have to start watching closely. Whatever comes out between '15-'16 will be what I replace my '05 with in 2019 ;).
     
  12. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Hopefully my next car will be a EV with 400 miles range that I plug in and charge with solar generated electricity! :) Until then... Well I logged close to 400 miles today, in cold wind driven rain and snow, a mix of city and highway driving. some of those were driven by the dealer dropping off the car, which were in the lower 40s mpg. Total average for the day 56.4 MPG! Wow, is it really going to be this easy? Or is the fuel consumption display way off LOL! Filled it up tonight, so I will find out what I am really getting in a couple of days. ;) Other than that, I really like the car!
     
  13. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    You will still come in around 54.6. Prius calculates about 1.5% high? H
     
  14. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Harold, I would be very happy with 54.6, considering the terrible weather, and being the first time I ever drove one so i am not even used to it! Looks like this is gonna be a great MPG getter!
     
  15. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Congrats! I hope it serves you well.
     
  16. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Thanks! I hope so too! :)
     
  17. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Did my second fillup today and first calculations. drove 434 miles and burned 7.49 Gallons for 57.94 MPG! yeah I am a happy camper! :) And I don't have to drive putt putt slow like in my last mpg getter LOL. I always buy light colored cars so i do not have to use the A/C much, but one thing that got overlooked was on the interior. it was cold and cloudy when i picked it and didn't think about it, but when the sun came out finally today i did, it is the dash. It is huge, and it is black! It was only 55 degrees out, but as soon as the sun came out it got toasty warm really quick! I guess i will have to buy some kind of light cover for it this summer so i am not always reaching for that A/C button. Dang, I wish we could figure out how to make use of all that great solar energy!

    First day of working in nice weather, I knew I would get some improvement, but was not expecting this much! Cool!!!

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    Last edited: May 3, 2014
  18. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Congrats on the new ride MT. If you do mostly city driving, you should be able to keep the MPG at 60 or above without much problem. Also for the winter months, block your grill and you will see considerably less of a drop in MPG. Also in the north where you keep the car in the winter is a big factor. I would get a block heater and use it. On last thing, a scanguage of equivalent is a must.
     
  19. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    Cool! Thanks for the tips BMM! My miles are mostly Highway, but time in the car is closer to 50/50 highway/ city. Good tip on the grill block, they do work. I do have to keep it outside unfortunately. I will have to look and see if its got a block heater, hope so, or hopefully they can be installed fairly easily. I don't understand the last thing. you mean use a plug in gauge to monitor coolant temp when heating and blocking grill to make sure it is working but does not overheat? I do have a scangaugeII that I ordered from this site close to six years ago that has outlived one vehicle and is on my ranger now, over a half million miles on it but it works like new. Do you think that would work? I don't really need it on the ranger anymore, since it is not going to be used too much.
     
  20. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    I use the scanguage to monitor watertemp (WT). RPM and soc(battery charge).
     

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