98 SUBURBAN click click click..no start

Discussion in 'GM' started by phoebeisis, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    optimajim

    Thanks for the advice-(BTW- the yellow top in prius working fine-stuck with the energizer in the suburban because I expected some prorated warranty-didn't get any-and since I got 4.5 years from old one-had no complaint-and $89-cheapish)

    The folks at SAMS did check the "dead battery" put it on their gadget-showed 12.7v 400cca
    (660 is spec)- said those numbers indicated I needed a new battery
    Don't know that their gadget "checked" to see if it would take a charge//-perhaps the 12.7 alone was enough to show "bad cell"??

    Yeah how do they tell low voltage from discharged from low voltage "bad battery" without attempting to charge it?

    Thanks
    Charlie
     
  2. OptimaJim

    OptimaJim Member

    That voltage level sounds good, but the CCA definitely does not. Generally, if someone brings a battery in for testing and it is showing low voltage, the retailer will first attempt to fully-charge the battery before load-testing it. I don't know exactly why we get so many warrantied batteries back that are discharge-only and work fine, when properly-recharged, but I suspect it is because retail associates may be load-testing deeply-discharged batteries, which will never pass a load test.

    Jim McIlvaine
    eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries
    www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
     
  3. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    660 CCA in a Suburban? I usually buy 850-1000 CCA for my trucks, although the higher numbers are harder to find. I remember I once found a 1,200 CCA battery and I put it in my old 1974 Chevy C10. Man that truck started easy after that. If I could still find 1200's on the shelf in my local auto parts stores I'd have them in my 98 K1500 and my 00 GMC 1 ton van.
     
  4. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Do those "retail associates" or their managers have financial incentive not to do that? Or maybe they're just trying to please the customer even when they know the customer is wrong?
     
  5. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I think its just laziness on the part of the sales associates. They test the voltage, no good, replace. They're done in 2 minutes instead of spending 2 hours charging and load testing a battery.
     
  6. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    That's plausible. So ... I'll rephrase my question as follows:

    Do those "retail associates" or their managers have sufficient financial incentive not to be that lazy?
     
  7. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Yeah-wondered about that 12.7V-seemed OK
    and it was considerably higher than what my gauge showed-10 volts
    and I suspect 400CCA 12.7 volts-Suburban PROBABLY WOULD crank my reduction geared starter.
    I think they somehow screwed up-and the 12.7 was actually wrong

    Proof is in the pudding of course.New battery-all is well and it has been about a week.
    So battery was toast.

    The 660 CCA spins my Suburban just fine-of course it starts SOOOOO quickly and NOLA is a warm climate-hard to say

    Optimajim-What would be the appropriate red top for a 98 suburban-5.7 no winches no fancy sound system-occasionally I might run 2 more 55watt headlights-so 110 extra watts-??No need for yellow top-right? I am tempted to install a battery in the second battery "holder" which is already-oem-in the engine bay-just requires a bit of harness I guess.
    As a "just in case measure" since occasionally we drive across W TX-panhandle-at night-middle of no where.
    Thanks
    Charlie
     
  8. OptimaJim

    OptimaJim Member

    Charlie,

    I like to give our retail partners and customers both the benefit of the doubt, but I also know there can be some extenuating circumstances that can come up- newer staff members, impatient customers, etc...

    We list a couple of RedTop options for 1998 Suburbans with the 5.7- Group 34/78, 75/25 and 78. I used to own a '97 Suburban and I'm partial to the 34/78. It is slightly larger than the 75/25 and has both side and top terminals. GM vehicles from that era typically have side terminal connections, but I prefer the top terminals, as they provide a more direct connection to the battery. I've also seen more than a few side terminals melted out by batteries with loosely-connected cables.

    If you do add a second battery, it needs to be properly-isolated from your other battery, as all batteries in either parallel or series applications should be identical in age, size and type.

    Jim McIlvaine
    eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries
    www.pinterest.com/optimabatteries
     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2013
  9. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

  10. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Jim
    Thanks
    Yeah mine has side terminals-I hate them.
    Top terminals probably give more connection surface area
    But more importantly they are easier to see-see if the connection is good
    see if it is grungy - and easier to disconnect reconnect.
    Yeah hate those darned side terminals-
    Not sure WHY GM went to them-not as if they were that short of under hood clearance.

    I think the dual terminals are maybe $15 more-not much.

    Thanks
    charlie
     
  11. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I've noticed that the dual side & top post batteries have been disappearing from store shelves over the past few years. I loved them because it was easy to just hook up jumper cables to the top terminals. (I was often jump starting other people's cars). Its a PITA to get a good connection on side post terminals with a set of jumper cables.
     
  12. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Yeah-forgotten about that
    when my battery croaked
    5:50am-pitch dark-cold
    Trying to jump that SOB-side terminals-PIT tail
    and pain to hook alligator clips to charge it

    GM must have been having an OFF DAY when they decided those side terminals were a good idea on DIY type 1/2 tons like that
     

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