2013 RAM 1500 HFE Arrives Soon

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Big, Bold and Beautiful… And for the work truck set, so much more efficient and cost effective!

    [​IMG]Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - Nov. 7, 2012

    2013 Ram 1500 in the tunnel – $23,585 to start including the $995 destination and handling charge. It is easily the Best-in-Class Fuel Efficiency champion with an unheard of 18/25 mpgUS city/highway rating besting Ford’s best by 2 and GM’s by 4 mpg.

    Remember our 2013 RAM with Its Pentastar Set to Challenge the F-150 and EcoBoost story from last April? While the Pentastar is not as powerful as EcoBoost, it blasts every large PU truck ever produced no matter the engine or technology applied (this includes the 23 mpgUS highway rated Silverado Hybrid and base 3.7L equipped F-150) out of the water when it comes to fuel economy and features.

    I just received a note from Wendy Orthman, Chrysler’s Midwest PR Manager, that the all-new 2013 Ram 1500 High Fuel Efficiency (HFE) pickup is now in the Chicago Press Fleet and ready for us to go for a drive :D

    Here is a quick preview of the remarkable 2013 RAM 1500 in all of its ‘Guts. Glory. Ram.’

    A full sized PU truck with a car like interior, powerful enough for real work and fuel efficient enough that even I can embrace it for a contractor or company that needs to employ a work truck while saving at the pump.

    The Ram 1500 not only delivers the best-in-class fuel economy but provides its owners with a (RAM appropriately phrased this one :)) truckload of pioneering, fuel-saving systems including a more fuel efficient and more powerful 3.6L V-6 and first-in-segment eight-speed automatic transmission, stop-start system, thermal management system, pulse-width modulation and active aerodynamics, including grille shutters and air suspension.

    POWERTRAIN – It’s called Pentastar

    The new 305 HP/269 lb-ft. of torque 3.6L Pentastar V6 has already won Ward’s 10 Best Engines Award two years in a row as it powers some of Chryslers current large cars. It includes the standard fare of fuel saving technology including variable-valve timing (VVT). And right off the factory floor is rated to tow 6,500 pounds.

    The class-exclusive eight-speed automatic transmission (TorqueFlite 8) improves drivability and enhances fuel efficiency.

    The new TorqueFlite 8-speed transmission does not use either a column or floor shifter. Instead it uses a rotary e-shift dial enabling intuitive operation with a direct and confident feel, even with gloves on. The convenient, dash-mounted, easy-to-understand and operate system provides total control of the sophisticated eight-speed transmission. According to the company, this new design allows quick blind-shift transitions from “Reverse” to “Drive” when towing or navigating out of mud, snow or busy parking lots and crowded worksites. The new rotary e-shift dial also yields space for more functional and usable storage in the console.

    Another segment exclusive with the eight-speed transmission is a new thermal management system that is designed to quickly raise engine and transmission fluid temperatures. By raising fluid temperatures, parasitic losses resulting from high-viscosity engine oil and transmission fluid can be reduced, improving fuel efficiency by 1.7 percent. As the engine temperature increases to pre-determined levels, warm engine coolant is circulated through a thermal exchange unit, which also contains dedicated pathways for transmission fluid. As the thermal exchange unit heats up, it also heats up the transmission fluid. This action dramatically reduces warm up time for the transmission, improving fuel economy, drivability and shift quality.

    Another fuel saving feature available on some 2013 Ram 1500 models is Stop/Start which can improve fuel economy by up to 3.3 percent or approximately 1 mpgUS to the truck’s city drive cycle.


    The new 2013 Ram 1500 continues to maintain its rugged appearance with new exterior design elements and an absolutely best-in-class aerodynamics sporting a Cd of just .36 for the regular cab and probably another 100 points knocked off of that figure for the Quad or Crew cab configurations.

    Suspended on Air

    The 2013 Ram 1500 is now available with an all-new air suspension system featuring five height settings for optimum ride and aerodynamic performance. The feature operates automatically, or may be controlled manually via console or key fob controls:
    • Normal Ride Height (NRH): 8.7 inches of clearance (measured from the base of the door sill) is the default
    • Aero Mode: Lowers the vehicle .6 inches from NRH. Aero Mode improves fuel efficiency by up to one percent and is activated by vehicle speed
    • Off-road 1: Lifts the truck 1.2 inches from NRH
    • Off-road 2: Delivers more off-road capability, increasing ground clearance by 2 inches over NRH
    • Park Mode: Lowers the vehicle two inches from NRH for easy entry/exit and cargo loading
    Too bad we cannot make Park Mode work for on-road duties all the time?

    Electric power steering

    The 2013 Ram 1500 features electric power steering (EPS). By using an electric motor to power the truck’s rack and pinion steering system, the engine is relieved from the task of constantly turning a hydraulic pump, improving fuel efficiency up to 1.8 percent and adding five horsepower.

    Weight Reduction

    A newly redesigned frame weighs 30 pounds less than its predecessor by using advanced high-strength steels. New box floor cross-members in the bed eliminated seven pounds and a new front bumper design removes four pounds. Additionally, aluminum lower control arms in the front suspension contribute to additional weight reduction and handling. The Ram 1500 also features an aluminum hood saving another 26 pounds.

    The combination of the new Pentastar V-6 and new TorqueFlite 8 speed AT reduce weight by approximately 76 pounds vs. its predecessor.

    Pulse-width modulation

    Pulse-width modulation (PWM) is a new fuel-saving technology for the Ram 1500, which reduces parasitic electrical load. The technology not only eliminates unnecessary load on the alternator but also improves the durability of benefitting systems. Fuel delivery and the forward cooling fan are two systems that take advantage of PWM, adding a 0.4 percent improvement in fuel efficiency.

    Low-rolling-resistance tires

    The 2013 Ram 1500 features standard low-rolling-resistance tires to minimize wasted energy and decrease required rolling effort.


    The 2013 Ram 1500 uses a newly designed frame with improved, low torsion (stiffness) attributes that increase stability and handling precision while decreasing noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) up to 30 percent, depending on drive cycle. Front rails feature 20 percent increased yield strength from the use of high-strength steel. Among other features, the new frame design incorporates a new powertrain, new air suspension and new body-mounting technology.

    Portions of the frame are hydroformed for dimensional accuracy and side rails are fully boxed. The front frame section incorporates advanced, high-strength steel that maintains overall strength and durability while saving approximately 30 pounds. To further improve NVH, new larger body mounts are located on the front frame rails and at the C-pillar.

    New standard front independent suspension combines redesigned upper control arms, aluminum lower control arms and retuned geometry with coil springs for improved responsiveness and handling. New, more robust ball joints on the front suspension yield greater durability and are engineered with improved sealing methods.


    Its Ram crosshair horizontal and vertical grille bars now stand taller than ever.

    The 2013 Ram 1500 quad headlamp design has improved light spread, pattern consistency, distance and 30 percent more lumens.

    An all-new premium headlamp lighting system is a bi-functional halogen projector design with 15 amber LEDs for park/turn/position lamp and three amber LEDs for the side marker.

    A new 6-foot-4-inch bed option is now available on Crew Cab models giving customers the ability to combine Ram 1500’s largest available cab with the largest four-door/bed combination. All-new premium tail lamps are standard and consist of 15 red LEDs with three red LEDs for the side marker.


    For 2013, there is supposed to be improved fit and finish.


    Rear occupants can enjoy the same quality, fit and finish as the driver. With points of contact a priority, new premium materials, colors and designs are now on all four doors. Soft-touch materials enhance armrests and upper bolsters with expanded use of premium surfaces.

    The highlight might be the next generation 8.4-inch Uconnect system with background screens tailor-made to specific Ram models. To make room for the new big screen, the center stack is upgraded with matching materials found throughout the interior.

    The all-new HVAC controls take lessons learned from other Chrysler Group Uconnect applications and feature simple, improved function, meeting the highest human machine interface (HMI) standards. The HVAC system includes a redundant architecture allowing the operator to use either the 8.4-inch touchscreen or manual controls to alter the truck’s environment. Below the upgraded HVAC arrangement is a new switch bank with relocated, easy-to-use controls for a number of features depending on vehicle models and options. All buttons in the comfort bank also are redundant on the Uconnect system. Contiguous to the switch bank is a prominently placed, adjustable integrated trailer brake control allowing the driver to add or reduce trailer brake function on the fly.

    Displays including new 7-inch Multiview

    Previously only available on premium models, the 3.5-inch vehicle information screen is now standard on ST and SLT and displays vehicle operating functions. The new thin film transistor (TFT), 7-inch multiview display is now available on SLT, standard on Sport, Laramie and Laramie Longhorn models. The 7-inch multiview display features fully customizable function and configurability. Similar to the 8.4-inch Uconnect screen, select 7-inch cluster background screens are tailor-made to specific Ram models, with designs that match the truck’s theme.

    Filling the gauge cluster in front of the driver is an available 7-inch, color, premium multiview display, featuring a new customizable function that enables Ram 1500 customers to personalize information inside the instrument cluster. Similar to the premium Uconnect Systems, select 7-inch instrument cluster background screens are branded with a Ram theme. Ram’s new information display is designed to visually communicate information, using graphics and text, quickly and easily.

    The multiview display offers drivers a wide range of customization options, from a basic digital speed read out to specific vehicle status information. Operation of the display is clearly communicated to users with easy-to-understand icons and instructions.


    The Uconnect 8.4A and 8.4AN provide the Ram 1500 with a built-in wireless connection, allowing vehicle occupants to be automatically connected to a variety of new services. Users can remotely lock or unlock doors or start their vehicles from any distance via the web or a smartphone application. The new Uconnect system includes a 911 button on the rear view mirror for a direct connection to emergency services. An “ASSIST” button also is integrated into the rear view mirror to summon help directly from a roadside assistance provider or connect with Chrysler Group’s Vehicle Customer Care Center.

    The Ram 1500’s new Uconnect Access system features HD and SiriusXM Radio, handsfree mobile phone operation, handsfree navigation, handsfree texting with compatible phones and handsfree control of music.

    Also enhancing driver convenience, Uconnect features one-step voice command of navigation, the ability to check real-time fuel prices and listen and respond to text messages, combined with familiar knobs for climate and comfort controls.


    The Ram 1500 offers more than 45 active and passive safety and security features, including standard front airbags, front and rear side-curtain air bags and seat-mounted side pelvic-thorax air bags with Enhanced Accident Response System, knee bolsters, seat-belt pretensioners, BeltAlert system; and available adjustable pedals, ParkSense rear park assist and ParkView rear back-up camera. The 2013 Ram 1500 also includes standard electronic stability control (ESC), hosting a number of technologies including all-speed traction control, trailer-sway control, Hill-start Assist and anti-lock brake system (ABS).

    Additional Features

    For 2013, Ram 1500 customers can enjoy the convenience of power folding mirrors and a combination power and rear-sliding window with defrost. Also available is a new six-foot-four-inch bed option on the Crew Cab model, allowing for maximum passenger and bed hauling capability.


    The 2013 Ram 1500 is backed with a best-in-class, 5-year /100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty. The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers the cost of all parts and labor needed to repair a covered powertrain component – engine, transmission and drive system. Coverage also includes free towing to the nearest Ram dealer, if necessary. The warranty also is transferable allowing customers who sell their truck during the warranty period, to pass the coverage onto the new owner.

    The standard 3-year / 36,000-mile Basic Limited Warranty provides bumper-to-bumper coverage for the Ram 1500, from the body to the electrical system.

    The 2013 RAM 1500 "Comin At Ya" at warp speed ;)

    Here are a few more to keep me pumped up :)
    This going to be great!
  2. geez. I wish I could get over there for a ride-a-long with you.
  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The Ram website is tricky and there are boo-coo configurations to look at, so I may be wrong but........ it looks like you need to order the RAM 1500 HFE REG CAB 4X2 6'4" BOX ,
    at $28,200 before the $995 , to get the good engine and trans. It's a regular cab short-bed pickup. Is that the one you drove , Wayne ? Or did I just not dig deep enough ?
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    I drove the 4x4 RAM 1500 equipped with the Pentastar and 8-speed AT and the HFE is supposed to be even more efficient :rolleyes:

    This is a scary maximum effort result from a pickup truck if you ask me!


  5. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    40 mpg ???
    Am I reading that right??

    You'll give us a 60 mph steady mpg as soon as possible-even if it is a one way short distance number?
    Really really curious to see how close it can get to 30 mpg at 60 mph.
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    I am very very curious about that result too!

  7. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I don't think so. I've driven air-ride equipped trucks that through a malfunction, were stuck in the entry/exit height. It was a bone-jarring experience.
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    It will be a while but it is coming.

    I have the 13 Beetle TDI Convertible short lead on the 26th and 27th, the LA Auto Show Press Event on the 28th and 29th, the 13 Honda Accord (still hoping for the stick but it will probably be the CVT) for the 29th through the 5th (all in CA), back home again and then back out for the RAV4 short lead on the 10th through the 12th and when I finally get back, we will drive the RAM 1500 HFE from 12/13 to 12/20.

    This is a scheduling nightmare :(

  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Chrysler released its Parts and Accessories upgrade pieces for the all-new 2013 Ram 1500

    Mopar will be offering more than 300 performance parts and accessories for the new 2013 Ram 1500.

    The following accessories are just a few of what is available:

    Step Assists

    Cab-length Stainless Steel Tubular Side Steps -- Cab-length stainless steel tubular side steps include two brackets and four mechanical fasteners with a bracket. Side steps are manufactured from rolled stainless steel that is then buffed to shiny finish. Additional features include one full-length step pad and molded end caps with the Ram script.

    Regular Cab – (MSRP: $375, Part Number: 82213272)
    Quad Cab – (MSRP: $450, Part Number: 82213265)
    Crew Cab – (MSRP: $525, Part Number: 82213271)

    Wheel-to-wheel Stainless Steel tubular Side Steps include a step pad for vehicle entry/exit and an additional step pad for accessing cargo at the front of the bed.

    Regular Cab with 6-foot, 4-inch bed – (MSRP: $450, Part Number: 82213267
    Quad Cab – (MSRP: $550, Part Number: 82213268)
    Crew Cab – (MSRP: $550, Part Number: 82213266)

    Cab-length Chrome Aluminum Tubular Side Steps include robust bracketry (4 mechanical fasteners/bracket) and a chrome finish

    Regular Cab - (MSRP: $450, Part Number: 82213267)
    Quad Cab – (MSRP: $550, Part Number: 82213268)
    Crew Cab – (MSRP: $550, Part Number: 82213266)

    Cab-length Black Aluminum Tubular Side Steps

    Regular Cab with 6-foot, 4-inch bed (MSRP: $325, Part Number: 82213269)
    Quad Cab – (MSRP: $400, Part Number: 82213270)
    Crew Cab – (MSRP: $425, Part Number: 82213273)

    Cab-length Aluminum Running Boards, available in Silver, Black and White Gold

    Regular Cab – (MSRP: $525, Part Numbers: 82211697AD (Bright); 82211698AD (Black)
    Quad Cab – (MSRP: $600, Part Numbers: 82211699AD (Bright); 82211702AD (Black)
    Crew Cab – (MSRP: $650, Part Numbers: 82211701AD (Bright); 82211702AD (Black) and 68087746AB (White Gold)

    Stirrup Step

    Regular, Quad and Crew – (MSRP: $155, Part Number: 82211645AD)

    Bed Step

    5-foot 7-inch, 6-foot 4-inch and 8-foot beds (without dual exhaust) – (MSRP: $290, Part Number: 82212091AB)


    Commercial Grade Toolbox, Aluminum Black Diamond Plate – for 6-foot-4-inch and 8-foot conventional beds) (MSRP: $699, Part Number: 82212467)

    Conventional Mount Toolbox (Aluminum Silver Diamond Plate – for 5-foot -7-inch and 8-foot Conventional Beds) (MSRP: $426, Part Number: TBXTBS72AB)

    Sliding Toolbox, Aluminum Silver Diamond Plate – for 5-foot -7-inch, 6-foot four-inch and 8-foot Conventional Beds (equipped with Pickup Box Utility Rails which are sold separately. (MSRP: $575, Part Number: 82211356)

    Tonneau Covers

    Roll-Up (for all Bed Configurations)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $450, Part Number: 82213022)
    5-foot-7-inch Rambox (MSRP: $500, Part Number: 82213024)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $475, Part Number: 82213021
    6-foot-4-inch Rambox (MSRP: $500, Part Number: 82213024
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $525, Part Number: 82213025)

    Soft Tri-Fold (for Conventional Beds)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $638, Part Number: 82211272AD)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $672, Part Number: 82211273AD)
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $697, Part Number: 882211274AD)

    Hard Folding (for all Bed Configurations)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $905, Part Number: 82211297AB)
    5-foot-7-inch Rambox (MSRP: $960, Part Number: 82212184)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $1,118, Part Numbers: 82211298 for Tonneau Cover and 82211301 for hardware kit
    6-foot-4-inch Rambox (MSRP: $975, Part Number: 82212920)
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $1,073, Part Numbers: 82211299 for Tonneau Cover and 82211302 for hardware kit
    Fiberglass (for 5-foot-7-inch and 6-foot-4-inch Conventional Beds)
    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $1,330, Part Number: Unique based on exterior color
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $1,390, Part Number: Unique based on exterior color

    Bed Protection

    Drop-In Bedliners (for all Bed Configurations)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $347, Part Number: 82211070AC (Ram's Head); 82211069AC (HEMI); 82211071AC (Texas Pride)
    5-foot-7-inch Rambox (MSRP: $347, Part Number 82212043)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $347,Part Number: 82211318AC (Ram's Head); 82211317AC (HEMI) and 82211319AC (Texas Pride)
    6-foot-4-inch Rambox (MSRP: $347, Part Number: 82212945)
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $347, Part Number: 82211321AC (Ram's Head); 82211320AC (HEMI) and 82211322AC (Texas Pride)

    Bed Mat (for all Bed Configurations)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed and Rambox (MSRP: $182, Part Number: 82211068AC)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed and Rambox (MSRP: $169, Part Number: 82212996)
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $195, Part Number: 82207423AC)

    Bed Rug (for Conventional Beds)

    5-foot-7-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $408, Part Number: 82211067)
    6-foot-4-inch Conventional Bed (MSRP: $422, Part Number: 82209888)
    8-foot Conventional Bed (MSRP: $434, Part Number: 82209889)

    Chrome Appearance Products

    Grille Inserts

    Chrome Hex-Foil (MSRP: $175, Part Number: 82213261)
    Chrome Horizontal (MSRP: $225, Part Number: 82213262)
    Chrome Wire Mesh (MSRP: $250, Part Number: 82213606)

    Body-side Moldings

    Regular Cab (MSRP: $125, Part Number: 82213505)
    Quad Cab (MSRP: $175, Part Number: 82213504)
    Crew Cab (MSRP: $185, Part Number: 82213505)

    Front-air Deflector

    Chrome (MSRP: $123, Part Number: 82211336AC)

    Fuel Door

    Chrome (MSRP: $149, Part Number: 82211393)

    Rambox Products

    Cargo Management

    5-foot-7-inch Rambox (MSRP: $159, Part Number: 82213570)
    6-foot-4-inch Rambox (MSRP: $199, Part Number: 82212966)

    Rambox Holster

    5-foot-7-inch Rambox (MSRP: $159, Part Number: 82213570)
    6-foot-4-inch Rambox (MSRP: $199, Part Number: 82212966)

    Ram Bags

    Tool Bag (MSRP: $50, Part Number: 82212950)
    Tool Caddy (MSRP: $75, Part Number: 82213020)
    Cooler (MSRP: $35, Part Number: 82212951)
    Duffle Bag (MSRP: $45, Part Number: 82212949)

    Towing Products

    Class IV 2-inch Trailer Hitch

    Tool Bag (MSRP: $130, Part Number: 82213205)

    Ball Mount Adapters

    1.75-inch rise, 1-inch drop (MSRP: $29, Part Number: 82213547)
    5.25-inch Drop (MSRP: $39, Part Number: 82213640)
    Trailer Tow Mirrors (MSRP: $465, Part Number: 82210941AB)
    Sport/Performance Hood (MSRP: $1,070, Part Number: 82211065AF)

    Electronic Upgrades

    Electronic Vehicle Tracking System

    U.S. Electronic Vehicle Tracking System (MSRP: $474, Part Number: 82212457)
    Canada Electronic Vehicle Tracking System (MSRP: $352, Part Number: 82212870)

  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I took it out for the first time a few hours ago to go fill it up prior to the drives later today.

    To top this one off takes a massive amount of patience. It reminded me of the 26 gallon tank equipped F-150 that actually held 36 gallons. In the case of the RAM 1500, it took > 3 gallons from when it was filled by the press fleet guys this morning which was over the F mark on the fuel gauge proving it was not a tank capacity issue. It was the fact air inside the tank kept slowly bubbling up while the level in the filler neck would slowly fall. This went on for over 45 minutes before it appeared to finally be topped off with maybe 100 individual top offs and shaking the truck from side to side in between each. In 28 degree F temps, my hands were freezing big time!

    I then drove it around until it was warm hopefully to see the Auto Stop function in action. It did not occur by the time I arrived back at home and cycling through the menu's I saw an Auto Stop display saying the battery was to low and that it was charging? I looked at the battery display and it showed a bar graph about 2/3 up to the top and 14.1 V. I watched it for a minute both in and out of gear while idling in the drive and I did not see the battery charge level (SoC) mimic increase at all?

    The RAM 1500 HFE did not have the cool graphic display as experienced in the 4x4 posted above. It is also lacking the manual and I cannot get into the radio menu to change the clocks time which is 2 hours ahead of CST?

    More questions than answers and hopefully we will have some of it answered later today when I go top it off again and head to Milwaukee and back.

  12. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    That's RAM's way of telling you they don't really want owners to top them off. However, I'm glad you do this on all the vehicles you review.
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    And how!

  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The calibration drive is complete and thank goodness. It was a 25 minute fill up today after last night’s 45-minute fill ordeal, drive to my home (I forgot my sun glasses) and back for another 10 minutes for the first top off.

    2013 Ram 1500 Review

    Initial Top Off. Notice the 40 psi tire pressures on the driver’s door placard? Also take note of the $3.279 per gallon at the initial fill prior to setting out.

    71.7 mile round trip per Google Maps.

    At the final fill less than two hours later, the price was down to $3.199 per gallon :)

    I drove the round trip of 71.7 miles per Google maps vs. 69.5 miles per the Odometer/Trip A/B (3.07% under report). All of this was completed with winds out of the SE at ~ 5 mph in temperatures of 36 to 41 degrees F and on 1.949 gallons for a 36.788 mpgUS actual.

    The aFCD displayed 34.6 mpg so it also under reports by a rather high -5.9%. I am still concerned about the final top off as it was going in by the .005 to .015 gallons at a time for hundreds of top offs in between before she would not take any more.

    The RAM 1500 just like the F-150 are two you do not want to top off as it takes literally hours from initial to final top offs.

    Pups Loves Trucks :)

    She would not look out through the back window opening so I had to take a shot through it.

    With last night’s drive of < 2 miles to the station, adding $8.50 worth of fuel for a near top off, driving a 10-mile loop back home for the first drive, today’s initial $5.00 in fuel for an initial top off, and final $6.00, I am out $19.00 so far and I have only driven in one small and one big circle :rolleyes: That is typical of everyone right :D

  15. herm

    herm Well-Known Member


    Pups is just waiting for you to finish topping off the tank..
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Herm:

    She sure does seem to like to go for rides as she always wants to jump into whatever car I am driving???

    I just completed the steady state tests over 150 miles of back and forths and when it was all said and done, the pickup finished up at a calibrated 25.1 mpgUS which is just a tenth over its highway rating!

    Here is one of the steady states at 60 mph although it actually finished its elevation to elevation segment at 24.9 mpg. Add almost 20% with the odometer and aFCD offsets + temperature compensation to 70 degrees F for an actual. AND this was into the wind.

    2013 RAM 1500 HFE

    60 mph steady state upwind segment: 5 - 8 mph headwind, 1,399 RPM and a 25.1 mpgUS result up to the point I snapped the pic.​

    I will have a chart up later this morning unless I have to redo any of them because of skewed data.

  17. I see the door sticker at 6010 GVWR.

    Did I miss the curb weight number (or payload) I dont see it?
  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    1399 RPM. Nice !
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    So it delivers an honest 25mpg at 60 mph.
    How much is the 35 degrees worth- vs 75 degrees ?
    .2mpg maybe ?

    And guess we can put paid to getting 115% hy EPA just by driving 60 mph.
    But it delivers the EPA number-a stunningly good number. for a huge 17" wheeled monster

    Oh-does anyone remember other brands 60 mph number?
    Ram 3.6 25.1mpg
    Ford 3.5
    Ford 3.7
    Ford 6.7 TD
    Chevy 5.3
    Seems like I remember the 3.5 dual turbo coming very very close to 25mpg-same story on the 3.7? Perhaps the 35 degrees hurt the ram a little? Dense air-worth a couple of tenths? The monster 6.7 TD Ford got 25mpg-right-but with 70 cent premium?
    My ancient Suburban averages 21mpg on long pure hy trips-I average about 60 mph- but some road work-cities towns-and 600 og the 1500 miles a is at ~3000 feet or so-Amarillo to Flagstaff-so I suspect it is actually 20 mpg at 60 steady.
    It is 50 hp down vs the Ram-and 5 mpg hy-huge amount!
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2012
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    It is actually better. At 70, you can add 8.75% for temperature compensation and the odometer and aFCD offsets are under reporting by another 8% or so. In addition, this was the "into the wind" south bound leg.

    I will have a graph for you later this morning.

    I am glad I stayed up and completed this last night. Soon after it started to rain as it is now.


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