Ram Goes To War And Lets Loose A NUKE – As in 25 mpgUS highway!

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Pentastar V6 brings large car like fuel economy to the large PU truck segment.

    [​IMG]Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - Aug 24, 2012

    2013 Ram 1500 in the tunnel – $23,585 to start including the $995 destination and handling charge. It is easily the Best-in-Class Fuel Efficiency champion with an unheard of 18/25 mpgUS city/highway rating besting Ford’s best by 2 and GM’s by 4 mpg.

    Remember our 2013 RAM with Its Pentastar Set to Challenge the F-150 and EcoBoost story from last April? While the Pentastar is not as powerful as EcoBoost, it blasts every large PU truck ever produced no matter the engine or technology applied (this includes the 23 mpgUS highway rated Silverado Hybrid) out of the water and off the field of battle when it comes to fuel economy and features.

    Here is a full sized PU truck with a car like interior, powerful enough to do real work and fuel efficient enough that even I can embrace it for a contractor or company that needs to employ a work truck while saving at the pump compared to what they are fielding now.

    The Ram 1500 not only delivers the best-in-class fuel economy but provides its owners with a (RAM appropriately phrased this one :)) truckload of pioneering, fuel-saving systems including a more fuel efficient and more powerful 3.6L V-6 and first-in-segment eight-speed automatic transmission, stop-start system, thermal management system, pulse-width modulation and active aerodynamics, including grille shutters and air suspension.

    Here is the RAM PR stripped of as much as I could and it is still loaded!

    POWERTRAIN – It’s called Pentastar

    The new 305 HP/269 lb-ft. of torque 3.6L Pentastar V6 has already won Ward’s 10 Best Engines Award two years in a row as it powers some of Chryslers current large cars. It includes the standard fare of fuel saving technology including variable-valve timing (VVT). And right off the factory floor is rated to tow 6,500 pounds.

    The class-exclusive eight-speed automatic transmission (TorqueFlite 8) improves drivability and enhances fuel efficiency.

    The new TorqueFlite 8-speed transmission does not use either a column or floor shifter. Instead it uses a rotary e-shift dial enabling intuitive operation with a direct and confident feel, even with gloves on. The convenient, dash-mounted, easy-to-understand and operate system provides total control of the sophisticated eight-speed transmission. According to the company, this new design allows quick blind-shift transitions from “Reverse” to “Drive” when towing or navigating out of mud, snow or busy parking lots and crowded worksites. The new rotary e-shift dial also yields space for more functional and usable storage in the console.

    Another segment exclusive with the eight-speed transmission is a new thermal management system that is designed to quickly raise engine and transmission fluid temperatures. By raising fluid temperatures, parasitic losses resulting from high-viscosity engine oil and transmission fluid can be reduced, improving fuel efficiency by 1.7 percent. As the engine temperature increases to pre-determined levels, warm engine coolant is circulated through a thermal exchange unit, which also contains dedicated pathways for transmission fluid. As the thermal exchange unit heats up, it also heats up the transmission fluid. This action dramatically reduces warm up time for the transmission, improving fuel economy, drivability and shift quality.

    Another fuel saving feature available on some 2013 Ram 1500 models is Stop/Start which can improve fuel economy by up to 3.3 percent or approximately 1 mpgUS to the truck’s city drive cycle.

    Aerodynamics

    The new 2013 Ram 1500 continues to maintain its rugged appearance with new exterior design elements and an absolutely best-in-class aerodynamics sporting a Cd of just .36 for the regular cab and probably another 100 points knocked off of that figure for the Quad or Crew cab configurations.

    Suspended on Air

    The 2013 Ram 1500 is now available with an all-new air suspension system featuring five height settings for optimum ride and aerodynamic performance. The feature operates automatically, or may be controlled manually via console or key fob controls:
    • Normal Ride Height (NRH): 8.7 inches of clearance (measured from the base of the door sill) is the default
    • Aero Mode: Lowers the vehicle .6 inches from NRH. Aero Mode improves fuel efficiency by up to one percent and is activated by vehicle speed
    • Off-road 1: Lifts the truck 1.2 inches from NRH
    • Off-road 2: Delivers more off-road capability, increasing ground clearance by 2 inches over NRH
    • Park Mode: Lowers the vehicle two inches from NRH for easy entry/exit and cargo loading
    Too bad we cannot make Park Mode work for on-road duties all the time?

    Electric power steering

    The 2013 Ram 1500 features electric power steering (EPS). By using an electric motor to power the truck’s rack and pinion steering system, the engine is relieved from the task of constantly turning a hydraulic pump, improving fuel efficiency up to 1.8 percent and adding five horsepower.

    Weight Reduction

    A newly redesigned frame weighs 30 pounds less than its predecessor by using advanced high-strength steels. New box floor cross-members in the bed eliminated seven pounds and a new front bumper design removes four pounds. Additionally, aluminum lower control arms in the front suspension contribute to additional weight reduction and handling. The Ram 1500 also features an aluminum hood saving another 26 pounds.

    The combination of the new Pentastar V-6 and new TorqueFlite 8 speed AT reduce weight by approximately 76 pounds vs. its predecessor.

    Pulse-width modulation

    Pulse-width modulation (PWM) is a new fuel-saving technology for the Ram 1500, which reduces parasitic electrical load. The technology not only eliminates unnecessary load on the alternator but also improves the durability of benefitting systems. Fuel delivery and the forward cooling fan are two systems that take advantage of PWM, adding a 0.4 percent improvement in fuel efficiency.

    Low-rolling-resistance tires

    The 2013 Ram 1500 features standard low-rolling-resistance tires to minimize wasted energy and decrease required rolling effort.

    Chassis

    The 2013 Ram 1500 uses a newly designed frame with improved, low torsion (stiffness) attributes that increase stability and handling precision while decreasing noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) up to 30 percent, depending on drive cycle. Front rails feature 20 percent increased yield strength from the use of high-strength steel. Among other features, the new frame design incorporates a new powertrain, new air suspension and new body-mounting technology.

    Portions of the frame are hydroformed for dimensional accuracy and side rails are fully boxed. The front frame section incorporates advanced, high-strength steel that maintains overall strength and durability while saving approximately 30 pounds. To further improve NVH, new larger body mounts are located on the front frame rails and at the C-pillar.

    New standard front independent suspension combines redesigned upper control arms, aluminum lower control arms and retuned geometry with coil springs for improved responsiveness and handling. New, more robust ball joints on the front suspension yield greater durability and are engineered with improved sealing methods.

    Exterior

    Its Ram crosshair horizontal and vertical grille bars now stand taller than ever.

    The 2013 Ram 1500 quad headlamp design has improved light spread, pattern consistency, distance and 30 percent more lumens.

    An all-new premium headlamp lighting system is a bi-functional halogen projector design with 15 amber LEDs for park/turn/position lamp and three amber LEDs for the side marker.

    A new 6-foot-4-inch bed option is now available on Crew Cab models giving customers the ability to combine Ram 1500’s largest available cab with the largest four-door/bed combination. All-new premium tail lamps are standard and consist of 15 red LEDs with three red LEDs for the side marker.

    Interior

    For 2013, there is supposed to be improved fit and finish.

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    Rear occupants can enjoy the same quality, fit and finish as the driver. With points of contact a priority, new premium materials, colors and designs are now on all four doors. Soft-touch materials enhance armrests and upper bolsters with expanded use of premium surfaces.

    The highlight might be the next generation 8.4-inch Uconnect system with background screens tailor-made to specific Ram models. To make room for the new big screen, the center stack is upgraded with matching materials found throughout the interior.

    The all-new HVAC controls take lessons learned from other Chrysler Group Uconnect applications and feature simple, improved function, meeting the highest human machine interface (HMI) standards. The HVAC system includes a redundant architecture allowing the operator to use either the 8.4-inch touchscreen or manual controls to alter the truck’s environment. Below the upgraded HVAC arrangement is a new switch bank with relocated, easy-to-use controls for a number of features depending on vehicle models and options. All buttons in the comfort bank also are redundant on the Uconnect system. Contiguous to the switch bank is a prominently placed, adjustable integrated trailer brake control allowing the driver to add or reduce trailer brake function on the fly.

    Displays including new 7-inch Multiview

    Previously only available on premium models, the 3.5-inch vehicle information screen is now standard on ST and SLT and displays vehicle operating functions. The new thin film transistor (TFT), 7-inch multiview display is now available on SLT, standard on Sport, Laramie and Laramie Longhorn models. The 7-inch multiview display features fully customizable function and configurability. Similar to the 8.4-inch Uconnect screen, select 7-inch cluster background screens are tailor-made to specific Ram models, with designs that match the truck’s theme.

    Filling the gauge cluster in front of the driver is an available 7-inch, color, premium multiview display, featuring a new customizable function that enables Ram 1500 customers to personalize information inside the instrument cluster. Similar to the premium Uconnect Systems, select 7-inch instrument cluster background screens are branded with a Ram theme. Ram’s new information display is designed to visually communicate information, using graphics and text, quickly and easily.

    The multiview display offers drivers a wide range of customization options, from a basic digital speed read out to specific vehicle status information. Operation of the display is clearly communicated to users with easy-to-understand icons and instructions.

    UCONNECT

    The Uconnect 8.4A and 8.4AN provide the Ram 1500 with a built-in wireless connection, allowing vehicle occupants to be automatically connected to a variety of new services. Users can remotely lock or unlock doors or start their vehicles from any distance via the web or a smartphone application. The new Uconnect system includes a 911 button on the rear view mirror for a direct connection to emergency services. An “ASSIST” button also is integrated into the rear view mirror to summon help directly from a roadside assistance provider or connect with Chrysler Group’s Vehicle Customer Care Center.

    The Ram 1500’s new Uconnect Access system features HD and SiriusXM Radio, handsfree mobile phone operation, handsfree navigation, handsfree texting with compatible phones and handsfree control of music.

    Also enhancing driver convenience, Uconnect features one-step voice command of navigation, the ability to check real-time fuel prices and listen and respond to text messages, combined with familiar knobs for climate and comfort controls.

    Safety

    The Ram 1500 offers more than 45 active and passive safety and security features, including standard front airbags, front and rear side-curtain air bags and seat-mounted side pelvic-thorax air bags with Enhanced Accident Response System, knee bolsters, seat-belt pretensioners, BeltAlert system; and available adjustable pedals, ParkSense rear park assist and ParkView rear back-up camera. The 2013 Ram 1500 also includes standard electronic stability control (ESC), hosting a number of technologies including all-speed traction control, trailer-sway control, Hill-start Assist and anti-lock brake system (ABS).

    Additional Features

    For 2013, Ram 1500 customers can enjoy the convenience of power folding mirrors and a combination power and rear-sliding window with defrost. Also available is a new six-foot-four-inch bed option on the Crew Cab model, allowing for maximum passenger and bed hauling capability.

    Warranty

    The 2013 Ram 1500 is backed with a best-in-class, 5-year /100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty. The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers the cost of all parts and labor needed to repair a covered powertrain component – engine, transmission and drive system. Coverage also includes free towing to the nearest Ram dealer, if necessary. The warranty also is transferable allowing customers who sell their truck during the warranty period, to pass the coverage onto the new owner.

    The standard 3-year / 36,000-mile Basic Limited Warranty provides bumper-to-bumper coverage for the Ram 1500, from the body to the electrical system.

    Poor Nick Cappa, RAM’s Truck Communication lead has been and will be buried for the next few weeks with this monster release.

    Yeah, hopefully we’ll have an event drive in this big beauty and who knows, it might be the first full sized pickup truck to break 40 mpgUS? And good for RAM for coming back from the abyss and producing class leading trucks like this one.

    [​IMG]
    The 2013 RAM 1500 "Comin At Ya" at warp speed ;)
     
  2. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    WOW!.. they really spanked Ecoboost, still has 305hp and a big grill..
     
  3. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Wow! 25 mpg hy 18 city! 8 speed AT?
    This would be minivan mpg from a couple of years ago!
    For all my life Dodge and Plymouth were value leaders(cheapest to buy- but never best)
    Not anymore!!

    How will GM match this?
     
  4. I was thinking the same as soon as I read 'park mode'. Get it out into the public and someone will find a way to do it.
     
  5. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    But-that park mode might bottom out at speed if you hit a bump
    Besides- if it was better-the park mode-Dodge would have done it-heck they didn't miss a trick on this truck!

    I never never never would have believed they could get 25 mpg-EPA- out of a plain gasoline engine brick like pickup-wonder what the CD is? .35 maybe-all the rest are .4 or so right?

    Wayne-what does this mean for a steady 60 mph- maybe 30 mpg?
    How in the world will GM match this?
    Where did Chrysler get the cash to design and build this-yeah they took the GOV $ but so did GM- no 8 speed ATs from GM
    Is it reasonable to say GM put their R&D in small cars-Cruze Sonic Volt -and that is why no significant truck upgrades?
    Ford can counter this Dodge-their Ecoboost makes a lot more HP TQ-their 3.7 not too far off and perhaps MUCH cheaper than the pentastar.

    Is this a special ECO RAM- horrendously expensive next to some base model?
    How will this price?? $35000 MSRP ? But sell for $30,000 ??
    I've lost track of pickup MSRP's-what does a cheapo 1/2 ton MSRP for now?
     
  6. southerncannuck

    southerncannuck Well-Known Member

    Were any of you folks involved in motocross in the 1970s? Honda came out with the Elsinore, and the competition, namely Yamaha and Suzuki had to respond or be left unsold in the dealerships. With every new model introduction last year’s bikes became obsolete. Those were the glory years for dirt bikers.
    These are the glory years for those of us looking for efficiency. Factory technological wars are good for everyone.
     
  7. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    This feature of the air ride lowering the vehicle is common on ambulances, and trust me, when these things get stuck in the "park" position, it is the hardest, most bone-jarring ride ever, as the suspension is all the way down. This is not something you want to rig up so you can drive at that ride height.
     
  8. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    This vehicle appears to be revolutionary ... not evolutionary.

    This machine beats the 2011 Mahindra diesel PU fuel economy by almost 24%.

    One that Chrysler missed ...

    Traditionally resistors have been used to control cabin fan speed ... pure thermal loss. PWM would allow continuously variable fan speeds (manual or ambient temperature controlled).

    The same is probably done with power steering.

    Maybe "thermal demand" water pump (no thermostat). How about an electric oil pump that can pre-lub the engine BEFORE it comes up to speed and operating temperature ... matching engine speed and load? Maybe continuously variable electric AC compressor? Electric turbo speed/pressure? There are a wealth of opportunities to reduce electrical/mechanical "waste".

    PWM has been used in power supply/regulator designs at least as far back as the 1970s to manage variable loads. Field effect transistors (FET) were one of the major enabling technologies.
     
  9. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member


    Some would consider the V6 ram far underpowered.
     
  10. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    PWM and a brushed motor is still primitive compared to a brushless motor, but definitely a step ahead of a resistor. This stuff is getting really low cost now.
     
  11. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    I was trying to start a typical truck fanboi discussion here :rolleyes:
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    RAM this morning released the base price detail. It will arrive at $23,585 which includes the $995 destination and handling charge. This is just 1% over last year’s 2012 RAM price.

    While this is an apple to onion comparison, the 2013 RAM PU costs less than a 2013 Toyota Prius base! That is a lot of truck for the $’s!

    Wayne
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  13. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    Love what they are doing, with the exception of the air suspension. I have yet to see a manufacturer come up with a system that holds up over the long run.
     
  14. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Hmm....

    The regular ("only" $32k) 2012 Odyssey gets 18/27 mpg. If you only need 6 seats, this could be an alternative for a lower price. A little extra aero work (teardrop camper shell, wheel skirts, do SOMETHING with that huge grille, and it could likely match the Ody on the highway. And haul loads of gravel etc when needed.

    As is, it's better than my '04 Ody at 16/23.

    Hmm...
     
  15. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    If you want 18/25 then you're talking V6, regular cab, 6' bed, start-stop, tennau cover and $29,195.

    Add in air suspension, and electronic "everything"...... Not really my idea of how to design a fuel efficient work vehicle.

    I'd start with a clean sheet of paper and a 4 cylinder diesel.


    /I'll be very curious to see the if the Ram 70 mph ss mpg lives up to the 25 mpg promise.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  16. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-ram-1500-priced-at-23585
    If you're willing to do a little key-turning yourself at stops, you can make up that difference.

    Looks like $28k for the cheapest quad cab. Still cheaper than the Honda.
     
  17. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Reading other reviews. Looks like the manual transmission is history.
     
  18. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator


    They already thought of the grille:

     
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    How in the world will GM match this-for $28,000 for a 18/25 or 17/25 quad cab?
    Heck I bet Ford wants more than that for their ecoboost?

    GMs- $40,000 hybrid two mode pickups-pointless since mixed EPA will be all but identical.


    I assume Dodge will put this in their full sized SUV -Durango-which is almost Tahoe sized?
    Better hope Dodge doesn't decided Suburban sized vehicles still have a market
    GM still makes plenty of $$ selling Tahoe/Suburbans

    The $$ devoted to the Volt-might have put GM behind in pickup FE- a segement that MAKES BIG $$ for GM.

    GM should be worried.
     
  20. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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