I guess I really don't understand "The Jeep Thing"

Discussion in '4x4's, SUV's and P/U Trucks' started by brick, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. Prozac

    Prozac Well-Known Member

    Oh, and I have had two, 99 Grand Cherokee that saw more off-road time than not and an 89 Grand Wagoneer. I really miss that Grand Wagoneer.
  2. Kevin108

    Kevin108 Well-Known Member

    You're right about most Jeep owners! Oddly, that's one thing I don't have in common with them. My Jeep is just what I have now. No love for it, really. It's useful, when it's working right, but I've had way less trouble out of my Chevys and Fords. I haven't forgotten the scorn I've received from the local clubs for not having a Jeep. :rolleyes: I don't think I'd buy another Jeep but I'll try to keep this one going as long as I can because it really is exactly what I need for my myriad activities.

    When I bought my wife a new car last year, it was a '12 Ford Escape 4x4. We'll take it on the beach but I seriously doubt it will ever see mud or trails. It doesn't have the aftermarket support for armor and other accessories for me to really wheel it. On the other hand, for her it's perfect. No locking hubs or needing to know when to shift in and out of 4WD. It's all automatic and works great, at least new. I tried some foot-to-the-floor launches in snow last winter and couldn't even get it to spin a tire. The traction control and the 4WD kicked in together and it just took off like a rocket. The ABS system was her saving grace several times as well. She's not a "light touch" driver, hence my 33 mpg to her 24 mpg in the same vehicle. :D

    Most people will never need anything more than what the Escape or comparable vehicles offer. Most of those with more capable vehicles will never use it. Even mine sees about 1,000 miles of pavement for every mile of dirt, and I go out every chance I get.

    I admit, being an offroad enthusiast between Richmond, VA and the NC line is stupid. There's nowhere nearby to use the vehicles. The first legal trails start west of Charlottesville, VA and the first (free) sand is Carova Beach, NC. But when you're out there and things are going your way...there's nothing like it! :stickshift:
  3. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    I go off road often (e.g. cut wood, pickup hay) don't need one. Would be handy maybe once or twice a year.

    Most of the time 4WD just substitutes for skill and planning, even off road.
  4. Kevin108

    Kevin108 Well-Known Member

    I don't disagree that a capable drive can make it in 2WD where many would use 4WD but adding that same capability to two axles and 4 tractive wheels, in theory, should at least double the capability of the vehicle.

    I know for a fact I've idled up inclines in 4-low that a 2WD would have been left spinning its wheels from. Sure, momentum could have been implemented but this obstacle really only had about an 8' cap and it would have been very difficult to match the speed needed to clear the hill without shooting over it.
  5. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    In the "old days"(1950's 1960's) in snow cities rural areas
    no one had 4X4- and pickups were kinda rare in the 50's-60's
    people got by with snow tires chains studs weight in trunk (sand frequently) and ashes??
    Yeah my dad had ashes in the trunk-from furnace I guess
    The ashes-were for traction-like the sand-??
    In hindsight-not sure of the WHY of the ashes-maybe because they were heavy-and FREE-
    since they would have made the user-filthy?/

    In any case you can "get by" with 2wd-folks did it for 50-60 years-4x4 AWD rare
    But there were LOTS of tow services back then-especially in snow cities- so plenty of folks got stuck
    Rural folks probably had neighbors tractor pull them out

    If you need it 4x4 and AWD- are great-I kinda liked it on the Pilot-AWD did come in handy once-and it was supposed to be safer on slick roads(but slowing down probably smarter)
    In 2003 the AWD was a 2mpg EPA penalty-BIG-
    Rural snow area- hilly-I would have it
  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Even though I am mostly against AWD , if I did live in a rural , hilly , snow area ( and I may one day) , I would want a vehicle that would get me to the store ( or home) in bad weather. I would never have one as my only vehicle. I'd be happy with a beat-up old T100
    4WD pickup to use once in a while. Most of the time (in good weather) a Prius or other hybrid would be my choice.
    I'd never live in that rural snow area if I had to go to work every day. Way too much carbon used and time spent driving.
  7. kryten428

    kryten428 Well-Known Member

    "Rural folks probably had neighbors tractor pull them out"

    Reminds me of a story my Dad told me years ago. One sunny winters day the folks went for a drive. The drive lasted a bit longer than expected and he was rushing a bit to get back home when he crested a hill and the road turned left. Of course he went straight on into the ditch. Fortunately there was a farmer's house just down the road and by the time Dad got to the house the farmer already had some water heating on the stove for the tractor. He pulled Dad out of the ditch, Dad gave him $20 and everyone was happy.

    A couple of months later there was an article in the newspaper about a farmer just outside of the city who was charged for tampering (read removing) with road signs. Dad never had any doubt there was a connection.
  8. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    AWD in our Passat saved us countless hours at snowchain checkpoints.

    As for Jeeps...countless GI's drove these capable vehicles. Once back home after the war, they went on civilian sale. Said GI's signed up and found them useful on the farm as well. Especially with a factory PTO. They got 17mpg, not bad in an era where 15mpg was average or fairly good.

    Fast forward and it's not too hard to see how this dedication morphed into today's veneration for the brand. Jeep is doing a perfectly good job unravelling itself though, i.e. Liberty, Patriot, Compass...

    ...the Commander is a fairly sexy truck, though. Too bad about the shape of the headlights.
  9. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    How much of that was Chrysler's doing though?
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    By now, a lot of it but Fiat/Chrysler is remedying that as fast as possible.

    I was not a Jeep fan until the 3.0L EcoDiesel was installed. The 3.6L Pentastar is also a great addition but it is the diesel that will save real fuel.

    Same with the RAM but either the 3.6L or the 3.0L EcoDiesel saves a ton while allowing while allowing them to do their work.

    I am pretty impressed that a luxury minded SUV can achieve > 40 mpg although I do hope it is still purchased by those with a need for some off-road capability;ity vs. single driver commuting in a metropolitan area.

  11. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    Actually James, the Liberty is a very cable off road machine and is very much a "Jeep".
    On the other hand, the Patriot and Compass are just a Caliber with different sheetmetal.
    After next year, they will only be a footnote in Jeep history(thankfully).
  12. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Of course the Liberty's a decent off-roader...it just doesn't have much else going for it.
  13. Gageraid

    Gageraid Well-Known Member

    The Liberty is an excellent Jeep. Looks great in my opinion. Very capable stock. I added some goodies to mine to make it faster, more fuel efficient, and off road capable.
  14. Tallswede

    Tallswede Member

    I have an '08 Liberty that I have been VERY happy with. I now have about 91K miles on it with absolutely no mechanical problems (knock on wood). I bought mine due to the tow rating which is higher than any other small SUV I could find. I also liked that it had real 4WD with a real tranfer case etc. I did not really intend for it to be a commuter but it was pressed into that duty for a couple of years and I got 20-22 mpg driving through Houston on I-10 during rush hours so I was very happy with that. Most tanks are in the 16-18 mpg range around town short hops getting toward the 16 mpg more during cool weather. Towing mileage is not good. Pulling anything really drops mpg. I pulled my 6x12 cargo trailer with two large cruiser streetbikes, 4 adults and all their "stuff" on a 700 mile trip to west Texas in the summertime and got about 13-14 mpg. About what a full size truck would probably do. It does a great job of pulling my 19' ski boat and 24' sail boat and never has a problem pulling out at the ramps with 4WD. But what I really like about it aside from all the above listed stuff is how manuverable and easy to drive it is. Especially when compared to a full sized SUV or truck. It has a very tight turning radius and it is much easier to back a trailer with the short wheel base than with a longer truck. So yeah, it is kinda crude compared to crossover SUVs but it is the right tool for the job if you have some serious work to do. Oh yeah, almost forgot, the back seats fold down completely flat for a pretty generous cargo space too. Many other SUVs don't do that. Guess you can tell I like mine and am disappointed Jeep no longer sells a boxey SUV other than the Wrangler which doesn't have the tow rating or fold flat rear seats.

  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Kevin:

    One word. EcoDiesel. :)

  16. Tallswede

    Tallswede Member

    Yep, Eco diesel sounds great, I'm waiting to see what other vehichles they put it in. Right now it looks like just top of the line Ram truck and Jeep lines. I would want something a little less fancy that I could better afford and would not mind hauling "stuff" in. I'm also not a big fan of having to add urea and other such things including the higher price of maintenance on all the diesels I've seen. Maybe the Eco diesel will be better in this regard.

  17. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    DEF isn't really that expensive, is it? A quick search is telling me that you're looking at a gallon or two every 5,000mi depending on the vehicle and how it's driven. Seems like a bargain to have you cake, eat it, and also breathe clean air between bites.

    I'm pretty psyched about the direction Jeep is going. It's funny that this thread keeps popping up, but nice that the story is starting to change vs. 2+ years ago when I first drove that thirsty Liberty.
  18. Gageraid

    Gageraid Well-Known Member

    New tires on the Jeep.

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