CleanMPG Previews the 2012 Prius v

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] More than a Prius and set to bolster a whole new family.

    [​IMG]Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - July 14, 2011

    2012 Toyota Prius v – The 42 mpgUS rated Prius for the family with the versatility to enjoy the sun, surf and even the open road.

    Half Moon Bay, CA -- This quaint small Pacific Coast town is located just south of a legendary surfing location called the “Mavericks”, renowned for regularly producing some of the most monstrous and challenging walls of water anywhere in the world. After a strong winter storm in the northern Pacific, waves at the Mavericks can routinely crest at over 25 feet and top out at over 80 feet!

    The “Mavericks” was named after of one of the first individuals to ride the monster wave’s dog and is considered to be one of the most dangerous “Big Wave” surfing locations on the planet.

    So what does the Mavericks and have in common with the all-new 2012 Prius v?

    For one, there were a number of v prototypes that were presented to the automotive press just down the road from the monster breakers and two; there may be no better way to get your board and your buddies to the sun, the sand and the surf than from behind the wheel of a “v” ;)

    Prius History

    Toyota’s commitment to an ever expanding “Best in Class” fuel efficient lineup is again living up to the definition of Prius -- "to go before" -- that characterizes not just the Prius hatch we all know today but the entire upcoming Prius family we will come to know in the near future.

    With over 20 years of commitment to the environment through hybrid technology R&D and now with over 1-million Prius' sold within the United States, Toyota is continuing its dominance of the truly “green” automotive marketplace with the imminent launch of the all-new Prius v.

    Recall back to the first generation Prius US launch in late 2000 when auto critics the world over were skeptical that a new small car with advanced technology never before available to the average consumer was going to do anything but flop. After all, gas was less than $1.00 and the Hummer H2 was receiving “press” as meeting the needs of the average "American" consumer :rolleyes:

    In its original form, the diminutive Prius hybrid sedan sat on top of the US EPA’s sedan based fuel economy list and sold in numbers that were uninspiring. All that was about to change beginning in late 2003 with the launch of the much more refined, larger, more powerful, eye-catching and at the time, 55-mpg combined (46-mpg combined under the new 08 EPA ratings) second generation Prius.

    In mid 2009, a new third generation Prius arrived with even more cargo capacity, improved safety, new features and yet another increase in its fuel economy rating.

    With fuel prices rising in an almost stair step fashion through the first decade of the 21st century, the once maligned Prius and its hybrid drivetrain is now considered one of if not the most practical and reliable vehicles on the road today. Providing its owners a level of fuel economy that makes the weekly fill up almost painless even with gasoline costing close to $4.00 per gallon, is it any wonder why competitors are scrambling to release their own hybrids that even after a decade or more of development cannot touch the fuel efficiency of the "Gold Standard" named Prius?

    The new Prius family begins with v


    The Prius v is making its presence known with a new suspension and engine control technology called “Pitch and Bounce Control” that provides a better ride and improved handling.

    The new technology entails a harmonization of the engine and new suspension tuning to reduce Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH). The system works with wheel-speed sensors and in tune with the suspension, helps suppress bounce and toss motions improving both ride and vehicle balance which improves handling.

    2012 Prius v Buyer

    Toyota expects the new v to reach an entirely new group of fuel efficient minded buyers and more than likely, not the same individuals that would be interested in the third generation Prius hatch as their own personal transportation solution.

    Because the v’s interior cargo and passenger volume is more in line with that of a small cross-over or SUV, Toyota is targeting families that are currently considering those alternatives.

    2012 Toyota Prius v Specifications

    The 2012 Toyota Prius v will be available in three trim levels with one additional advanced technology option package. Complete specifications including standard and optional equipment can be found on the 2012 Toyota Prius v - Specifications page. Pricing information is expected within the next 4 to 6-weeks.

    Prius v Competitive Comparisons

    Before we look at the new Prius v’s main rivals, let us consider how the Prius v grew by comparison to the third generation Prius on which its platform was based.

    2012 Prius v vs. 2011 Prius

    Overall length: +6.1 in
    Overall Width: +1.2 in
    Overall Height: +3.3 in.

    Wheelbase: +3.1 in.

    Headroom (Front/Rear): +1.3/+1.0 in.
    Legroom (Front/Rear): -1.2/-0.1 in.
    Shoulder Room (Front/Rear): -0.2/+2.1 in.
    Hip Room (Front/Rear): +0.8/+2.3 in.

    EPA Passenger Volume: +3.5 cu. ft.
    EPA Cargo Volume: +12.7 cu. ft.

    Curb Weight: +232 pounds

    2012 Prius v vs. Main Competitors

    YearMakeModelPricePassenger Volume (cu. ft.)Cargo Volume (cu. ft.)Fuel Economy (city/highway/combined - mpgUS)
    2012ToyotaPrius vTBA97.234.344/40/42

    2011ChevroletEquinox$22,995 - $30,32099.731.422/32/26
    2011DodgeJourney$22,245 - $31,94599.539.619/26/22
    2011FordEscape Hybrid$30,570 - $33,08099.430.934/31/32
    2012HondaCR-V$21,895 - $28,845103.835.721/28/24
    2011HyundaiTucson$18,895 - $26,395101.925.723/31/26
    2012Mazda5$19,195 - $23,87597.727.5*21/28/24

    2011VWJetta Sportwagen TDI$24,995 - $26,09591.732.829/39/33

    * Mazda 5 - Third row seats folded down.​

    2012 Prius v Exterior

    The Prius v takes on a familiar family resemblance to the current Prius but with a larger footprint and more traditional (read more horizontal) body lines. The hood incorporates two very subtle creases moving down and in from the top of the hood into the large Toyota emblem located on the front fascia. This highlight all but disappears depending on the angle and lighting.

    2012 Prius v and 2011 Prius


    The non-distinct single slat grille opening has a slight v shape angling upwards towards the large headlight lenses. And it is the headlight lenses where things get interesting.

    The lenses were designed to reduce turbulence around the side view mirrors and include a number of small strakes that do exactly that.


    The v’s front to center side profile is almost a duplicate of the regular Prius including the acute wedge shaped front cutout and straight edge “aerocorners” ahead of the front wheel wells to the A-Pillars and after the rear wheels at the rear corners. The familiar rounded roof edge continues to the top of the B-Pillar wherein the larger v’s roofline takes a decidedly less steep gradient to the rear hatch.

    Due to the more upright minivan like hatch and rear window, sight lines out of the rear window have improved. In an attempt to recover the lost aerodynamics, Toyota incorporated another unique addition. Namely, the large rear spoiler has a much shallower center by comparison to the ends.


    Weight Savings - The Prius v’s door panels are foam-injected with polypropylene and the deck board with light-weight urethane to produce a weight savings of approximately 20 percent. Additional weight reduction was also achieved through the use of high-strength steel surrounding the passenger cage and throughout the body to ensure a light, yet rigid structure.

    2012 Prius v Interior


    The Prius v’s central cluster has been improved over the current Prius with the addition of multi-color graphics for the Charge - Power, SoC, fuel consumption and clock display. The new iFCD is now numeric vs. the hard to resolve graph of the current Prius. Touch tracer has been removed.

    Another improvement includes the rotation of both the volume/audio controls and temperature/Display/Trip steering wheel controls in which stereo volume is up down and temp control is up down vs. sideways on the current Prius.

    New Prius v steering wheel control layout

    Prius v on the left – Prius on the right​

    From a controls standpoint, displays are still located in the center of the dash but are easier to read. The new single climate control knob toggles between Temperature, Volume and Mode with a turn of the dial to adjust.

    Upfront seating room feels similar to the current Prius but with a flatter and more comfortable contour. Standard power lumbar support also helps for the long road ahead.

    Driver and Passenger Ergonomics – While the drivers seating, steering wheel and pedal position are improved over the current generation Prius, the wheel reach is still a touch to long even with the telescopic wheel extended to its most outward position. Toyota needs to bring their Camry ergonomics team inside to setup the Prius family for North America perfectly.

    Our standard F&R seating ergonomics pic… Another 1” extension on the wheel would have been perfect.​

    The non-leather wrapped, urethane steering wheel in the base v is rough on the hands and should not be allowed to reach the consumer.

    The rear seats are where things get really interesting. They split in a 60/40 arrangement, they slide fore and aft as the front seats do, they fold allowing a maximum cargo volume of 67.3 cu. ft. and they recline from a 17 degree upright position to a 45 degree layback. With the seats slid fully back, there is plenty of rear seat legroom although the rear seats bottom cushions are still too short for full thigh support of larger passengers if they are going to live in the back for an extended period of time.


    A Stereo/Radio today is not just a listening device but an Advanced rolling connectivity and entertainment solution. The 2012 Prius v will be equipped with Toyota’s most advanced offering with what it calls Entune.

    The Prius v 2 incorporates a standard 6.1-inch touch screen audio system with integrated backup camera, AM/FM CD player with MP3/WMA playback capability, six speakers, auxiliary audio jack, USB port with iPod connectivity and control, vehicle information with customizable settings, hands-free phone capability and music streaming via Bluetooth wireless technology.

    The Prius v 3 and 5 includes the same with the addition of Navigation and Entune, SiriusXM Satellite Radio, HD Radio with iTunes Tagging, advanced voice recognition, text to voice with programmed and customizable text responses, and music streaming via Bluetooth wireless.

    Entune - The Prius v will be one of the first Toyotas incorporating the brands new Entune multimedia system featuring a “Best in Class” advanced conversational voice recognition system that eliminates the need to memorize thousands of voice commands and reduces driver distraction. Other features include Bing search, iheartradio,, Open Table and Pandora, real-time info including traffic, weather, fuel prices, sports, stocks, and news. All Entune features are included in three years of access to Entune services.

    The top-of-the-line and optional audio system arrives with a new seven-inch Premium HDD Navigation system with Entune and JBL. This system offers a new split-screen feature that allows for simultaneously displaying navigation and audio information and full iPod video integration.

    The premium system adds the all-new Harman – JBL GreenEdge sound technology that combines an eight-channel amplifier and door-mounted “acoustic lens” speakers, to provide a high-quality sound. The GreenEdge amplifier achieves a 66-percent reduction in overall mass and a 50-percent enhancement in sound efficiency.

    2012 Prius v Drivetrain

    The v uses the same drivetrain currently found in the Prius with some noteworthy additions.

    The same 134 Net HP output (Engine and Hybrid drive combined) is standard with the v along with Toyota’s now famous Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD). And like the regular Prius, there is nothing that can touch a Prius v in the city. Out on the super slab, there are but a few vehicles rated higher and in all cases, they have significantly less cargo room than the mighty v.

    The v is now equipped with an even more efficient uni-directional flowing Exhaust Heat Recirculation or Recovery system and is said to improve vehicle warm-up by one full minute over the current HER system! In addition, an improved cooled EGR is said to reduce pumping losses even further which increases efficiency and both MG1 and MG2 are now water jacketed for improved longevity. The previous setup has already proven itself so more must be better, right?

    The v, just like the TCH and HiHy utilizes a planetary reduction gear. The final differential ratio has been increased from 3.268 to 3.703 improving acceleration for the larger, heavier and less aerodynamic platform. The v will do the 0 to 60 mph dance in 10.4 seconds according to Toyota’s own internal testing.

    And just like the Prius, the v incorporates an Eco, Normal, EV and Power mode. Power mode increases throttle response for a given pedal application. EV mode is good for turning around in parking lots and such with a suitable SoC. In Eco driving mode, the throttle response is softened and the A/C consumes less energy at the expense of maximum cooling.

    Finally, the NiMH pack cooling duct is now located under the rear seat vs. alongside the rear seat in the current Prius.

    2012 Toyota Prius v Preview Drive Fuel Economy Results

    I topped off one of the prototype Prius v 2’s in Half Moon Bay (Elevation 150’ ASL) and proceeded on a short drive up and over the ~ 800’ crest of the first mountain ridge. Heading southeast down the I-280 towards San Jose with a 5 to 10-mph headwind, there was some heavier rush hour traffic with maybe 5-miles of 25 to 45 mph sections. I continued a short distance north on I-680 to cover at least 50-miles for this short calibration fill. I was assured by the Japanese engineers that the v's aFCD would read a lot closer to actual then the infernal 10% over report that my parents 10 Prius displays at each and every fill up.


    Stopping to refuel after 51.0 miles (Elevation 400’ ASL), the v consumed .766 gallons from top off to top off. The calculation revealed an excellent and better then expected 66.58 mpgUS actual vs. the Prius v’s 67.8 mpgUS display. I can accept a 1.8% over report although I would have liked to see none of course.

    2012 Prius v Ride and Handling

    Better than a Prius and better than a few competitive Crossovers I have driven in the past. It is not a vehicle to compete with the Lexus LF-A however. Similarly, a family of three to five would not to want to drive across the country in an LF-A either ;) The v is composed enough that driving the rising and falling switchbacks along the Pacific coast did not cause undue concern. The wider stance, longer wheelbase and more performance oriented 16 and 17” wheel and tire combinations surely helped. It handles very similar to the Prius package 5 with the 17” alloys in fact while having a softer ride over the rougher sections. Whether this was due to the pitch and bounce control or simply a larger underpinning with better tuned suspension is unknown. And does it really matter?

    There was no opportunity to test its adhesion limits within an empty parking lot and given its mission as a premium family hauler, hopefully its owner will never experience that level of minimal traction. We will find out at our next opportunity just to make sure but like most Toyota automobiles, continuous improvement is always strived for and the v provides over and above the Prius just as the third gen Prius provided over and above the second gen and so on…

    2012 Prius v Safety

    Just like all Toyota’s and Lexus’ of late, a spotless safety image and superb real world protection has become the companies mantra since the Sudden Acceleration/Unintended Acceleration “Dog and Pony Show” the company was dragged through a few years back.

    And just like all Toyota/Lexus models available today, the Prius v will feature Toyota’s Star Safety System which includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Traction Control (TRAC), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist (BA). It also features the standard Smart Stop Technology brake-override system.

    An electronic tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) is standard equipment, and there are seven airbags, front, side, side curtain and drivers side knee. A new driver and front-passenger seat design helps lessen the possibility of whiplash injury during certain types of collisions while minimizing weight. A new Vehicle Proximity Notification System helps alert pedestrians and cyclists of an oncoming vehicle under certain conditions by emitting a small warning sound.

    An available Pre-Collision System (PCS) retracts seatbelts and applies the brakes in certain conditions when a frontal crash is unavoidable. It is paired with Dynamic Radar Cruise Control.

    Another available safety system, Safety Connect, can access a call center with a live operator who can dispatch police and emergency vehicles. The system combines automatic collision notification and a stolen vehicle locator feature, which can track the location of the stolen vehicle via GPS and help guide police to recover it.

    While the 2012 Prius v has not yet been tested by either the IIHS or NHTSA -- these were prototypes after all -– the regular Prius built after December 2010 has been awarded a “Top Safety Pick” by the IIHS and earned a 5-star crash test rating from the NHTSA. These two excellent crash test ratings for the platform on which the v is based bode well for it once it has been run though the crash test gambit.


    2012 Prius v Preliminary Conclusions

    The “v” for versatility has indeed fulfilled its niche as an environmentally friendly family hauler. Excellent fuel economy, good road manners, versatile interior configurations all coupled with room for a family makes a very compelling case vs. some of the competitors listed above. Add to it Toyota’s bullet proof reliability and as always high resale value, there had better be an awfully good reason to consider something else. Even when pitted against the smaller and lighter Prius, the v held its own from a fuel economy perspective and is far closer than the 20% lower EPA rating suggests. It felt more like a 10% hit at most and we are talking about the v competing against one of if not the most fuel efficient vehicle on the planet!

    The few missteps I perceived are the urethane wheel on the v 2 and the plant-derived and carbon-neutral interior plastics. While the environmental statement of these plastics looms large, the feel and texture still feels cold, rough and harsh. The driver ergonomics are still just slightly off with a lengthy reach to the wheel and the C-Pillars decrease the rear corner -- blindspot -- sightlines. All 2010 – 2012 automobiles meeting the new Roof strength tests have been hindered somewhat with poor sightlines so it was not all that unexpected.

    While the v’s HSD iteration still includes the noisy windup during heavy acceleration, it sounds more subdued thanks to improved sound insulation in the cabin’s construction. In addition, the road noise emanating from the rear hatch is much less noticeable than the current Prius.

    From behind the wheel, the v provides a more comfortable large car ride than the standard every day Prius and a better view out the back.

    The all-new Prius v is still set for an early fall US delivery with more details forthcoming.

    With the Japanese Yen’s strength what it is today, we are still wondering what the Prius v’s price will be? The v feels like a $2 to $3,000 more feature filled and substantial vehicle vs. the smaller platform from which it was designed. If the v – 2 is priced anywhere near $30K to start however, it will be relegated to low volume status just as some of the latest Lexus hybrid releases have been as of late. If priced right, there will be a lot of new Prius family members in the very near future which will benefit us all.

    And of course surfers who need a fuel efficient ride while carrying their boards in search of the next giant wave will be praising the all-new v as well :)
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  2. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member

    The basic summary being "Slightly bigger than a Prius" then?
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  3. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    "Slightly bigger and less efficient than a Prius but most importantly they got rid of that bridge." :p
  4. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    One thing it shares with the Prius: a cluster of gauges dead center of the dash, and acres of blank plastic directly in front of the driver. I'm living with it, but I wish the designers would wake up, take a look at the competition's dashes.
  5. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    I agree Mendel. My G2 has all the important stuff in front of you. Was the G2 the last of this? That would bother me , looking to the center for readings. H
  6. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Cargo cap is 12.7cf bigger than the regular Prius (whose official figure includes a substantial amount of underfloor storage). Put into perspective: 12.7cf is the size of a typical compact car's entire trunk. It's not just "slightly bigger," it's a whole trunk bigger.

    34cf puts it smack dab in the middle of the compact SUV class. If they don't overprice it and gas stays expensive, the Prius V could eat a LOT of CUV sales. Including a lot of folks downsizing from minivans and larger SUVs that simply cannot go any smaller than this.
  7. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    What is the size of the rear hatch opening and floor width between the wheel wells? 48" is the magic number. Would the user be able to bring sheets of drywall home by stacking it flat in the back and sticking it out the back?
  8. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    The pictures of those red Priuses is just hybrid porn :)
  9. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    I really don't think about it.

    I don't believe I have to turn my head while driving but I'll try to remember to check later and see if I do.

    Two advantages to the center positioning:
    - the longer distance to the display keeps your eyes higher
    - a turned steering wheel can't obscure the display
  10. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    I'll bet you mounted your SG in front of you! Steering wheel does not interfere with the gauges on a G2! H
  11. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    No way sheets will fit in back hatch opening; at least I'd be really surprised.
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ophblanace:

    It is bigger but in a good sport of way. The rear hatch “space” can now handle taller items, the vehicle feels bigger even though it is essentially the same platform, it is quieter, better riding and imho, even handling albeit it looks a bit top heavy by comparison to the third gen. The displays are much easier to understand at a glance, they are higher res, and easier to manipulate with the single control toggle and turn knob.

    One other thing I mentioned in the previous write-up that I did not in this one given this was already getting to be overly large, the base Display Audi0 6.1 sounds better than the POS JBL and base system in all the past Prius’. Move up to the GreenEdge and it is another step up. The 2 and 3 screen Resolutions are a bit skimpy but the v 5 with the high end 7” LCD is sharp.

    Mendel, Toyota is trying to save $’s with a common base dash for all markets (L & R) and it is not a good thing either imho. If you have seen the latest Yaris generation write-ups I have posted, Toyota moved the instrument cluster back to the front of the driver regardless if they are UK (right) or US (left).

    Dan, if Toyota prices this right, it could really be a hit. If they reach, it will be an also ran which harms us all given the FE capabilities of everything else I my competitive comparison table.

    Rich, while at the Long Lead last month, someone asked if a 4x8 sheet would fit and IIRC, it was about 1 to 2" to thin for the v to carry it on the floor.

    Herm, it took me hours to find/choose the two Prius and Prius v pics with similar color and lighting (and I have the complete Press packs for both vehicles!), to crop them in, stack them and even attempt to match the angle at which they were sitting for the addition. If you look closely at the v, you may notice something missing in the rear quarter which tells you what I had to do to “fix” that pic ;)

  13. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I highly doubt you'd be able to get 48" wide sheet goods in. Almost ALL midsized wagons (Legacy, Passat, Volvo V70, etc., which tend to be about the same size in cf as the Prius V) are a couple inches shy.

    You'd think that, largely not also being in the business of selling pickups, midsized wagon makers would figure out how to design a hatch opening that allows for that magic 48" number. Maybe it's because they're mostly foreign-based and their home markets don't have the same dimensions in building supplies (and/or the same DIY ethic)?
  14. tkeller

    tkeller Well-Known Member

    I hope this leads to more (inexpensive) wagon options in the US. Not everyone can afford a Volvo, Audi, or Prius.

    Hatchbacks are too small, America! Wagons!
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    FSUspectra Practicing true conservatism!

  16. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    I haven't sat in a Gen II so I didn't know the layout. I've been in other cars that obscured the display with the wheel turned.

    To follow up on my earlier post: I checked yesterday and I don't have to move my head to look at the central display. I have to move my head to look at the right side mirror (because I wear spectacles) and look around for traffic when performing maneuvers.

    Just like the monochrome display, I think the central driver display is a non-issue in use. However, I have a II and I appreciate anything that lowers manufacturing cost.

    However, for vehicles with a built-in GPS or other fancy electronic systems, it makes more sense to have the driver controls directly ahead of the driver just so that the display for the other electronics can be higher.

    Yes, I put the SG in front of me but that's just because I hadn't mounted it properly: it was wrapped around the steering wheel. In fact, it's still not in the car at the moment because I still need to mount it properly.
  17. Nevyn

    Nevyn Well-Known Member

    I want to know if you can order the 3rd row seats from some other country and install them in a US-Spec Prius V.
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Nevyn:

    The third row of the alpha and + would not fit as those vehicles use the smaller Li-Ion in order to squeeze a third row in. If you want to know how much room you would have, stick a third row in a Prius. It just “aint” going to work out to well.

  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A Prius v is supposed to arrive this Friday for a week and while I am very much looking forward to that drive, I did place almost 400 miles on a brand new v-3 this past weekend.

    2012 Toyota Prius v

    63.1 mpg (62.0 mpg actual) after 160.9 miles from a parking area next to SeaTac, climbing over the Cascades and on to Yakima, WA.

    It was so darn gorgeous… The scenery that is ;)

    62.5 mpg (61.4 mpg actual) after 167.0 miles from Yakima, WA, climbing back over the Cascades to a hotel near SeaTac.​

    While I was in Yakima, WA for the Want 86_mpg From Your Prius Hybrid? We Have an “Answer” For That! event, the Prius v-3 allowed a 90.2 mpg RT segment on a 26-mile loop around Yakima and Union Gap, WA. Not bad for a Prius with a 42 mpgUS combined rating.

    Of the entire Prius family, it is my favorite given its Prius like fuel economy with larger rear cargo capacity, more rear seat room and a more comfortable seating position. When driven like everybody else however, its EPA vs. the Prius hatch stands out. When driving a v from a local CarMax, my mom drove to a local movie theater simulating her drive from her home to the same movie theater. The brand new v-3 allowed 46.7 mpg (45.9 actual) whereas her 10 Prius allowed 60.0 mpg (54.0 mpg actual) which matches up to the EPA detriment (42 vs. 50 mpg combined) to within 1%.

  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I was in my parents v last night and while navigating to a number of Menard's between Milwaukee and the WI/IL border last night, 3 times the v-3 with its SW NAVI could not resolve the address' input whereas Google Maps on the Motorola RAZR MAXX nailed it every time. Not a deal breaker but these Menard's were not that new and to see the Denso unit fail again and again was disappointing.


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