Toyota Shows Its Hypermiling iQ

Discussion in 'Toyota' started by PaleMelanesian, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Matt:

    ___To bad the guy that wrote that has no clue as to the premise of hypermiling let alone the “other” posters deriding this as a simply wasted effort as they drive in their small diesels destroying the iQ in this “event”. This was a simple drive around through 18-cities and nothing more.

    ___I have been promoting the iQ for its frugal ways at the pump and have done more reporting on it then probably any US media outlet because it is such a smart vehicle. (No pun intended towards those that own Smart’s ;)). It is when someone promotes an FE event and does nothing other then eek out a bit above the Euro Urban/Extra Urban combined all the while getting smashed by dolts in the comments. How is this going to sell more iQ’s when you have Joe and Suzie Q. reading how the Fiat 500 w/ a TDCi achieved 73 mpg on a similar run by a “guy” somewhere let alone he is probably boasting anyway.

    ___The iQ is the most fuel efficient non-hybrid/non-diesel on the planet and it would be great to show it for what it is, not for what every Tom, Dick and Harry’s diesel powered B and C-class sized boasts are attempting to bury it under. This “event” has spread around the web and start reading the comments. Half make this event look foolish and that is a sad state of affairs for a vehicle that is helping to reduce our dependence while producing a minimum of emissions and urban crowding vs. the rest. If the intent was to cause controversy, great. If it was to sell iQ's, bury the naysayers.

    ___Think of a Prius-II through those same 18-cities and all that urban driving. 80 + mpgUS should be available and that would sell Prius' indeed. The Prius-II is rated at 55 mpgUS on the Euro NEDC combined.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2009
  2. drummerboy2004

    drummerboy2004 Well-Known Member

    Wayne,

    I think the article's perspective has been bad since the beginning... They wanted to show that the average apathetic driver can get in, and achieve this kind of mileage. But, the marketing backfired, because the numbers are nothing new to them and their diesels.

    This does go to show that you should promote the highest possible when trying to sell a car... That is why all of our commercials in America use the highest the EPA will allow them to use... for instance, it is always highway mpg... we would not sell cars if we did as they did, and said, "look... we got about what the EPA is in the city." People want to see numbers they have not seen before in a car when they are looking for FE.

    Because FE is and always will be relative. Relative in a sense that in a 100 years(I hope) 100 MPG will not be anything new and exciting. They should have shown this thing getting like 75 MPG or more, then we are talking. I am not sure if it was the young lads idea or if Toyota ran out of ideas, but ill, none the less, from the start.

    Matt
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Matt:

    ___Indeed and an excellent point. The manufacturers stumble all over themselves telling us how much HP, how much it will tow, the highway FE ... Not the average HP someone will use, or the average weight people might actually tow or the average fuel economy that the vehicle receives.

    ___And thanks for telling me about the post in the second linked thread on Toyota.uk.co's blog site.

    ___I added my own to it.
    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  4. drummerboy2004

    drummerboy2004 Well-Known Member

    Wayne,

    Not a problem, and you are welcome...

    Yeah, about the stumbling automakers... it is most apparent in the Full-sized truck commercials... I cannot even believe they are comfortable with mentioning the FE in the commercials then show a bunch of guys flooring it over a bunch of logs... Most people will never floor it it over a bunch of logs... I guess it makes them comfortable to know if it started raining "cats and logs" they would be safe...

    All said and done... I suspect the controversy will bring more people to cleanmpg or information on hypermiling... so, that is good.

    Matt
     
  5. flatty

    flatty Member

    An alternative response suggestion to author/testor Simon:

    Welcome to the Forum, Simon!

    The iQ is the most fuel efficient non-hybrid/non-diesel on the planet and it is great that you got the opportunity to describe how hi-tech petrol cars can practically achieve the MPG of hybrids and diesels at less build cost.

    Since you are continuing your blogs and disseminating hypermiling info, please pore over this site. We coined the term 'hypermiling' here and there is a lot of experience printed on these pages that should allow you to add ~20% to your already significant MPG gains.

    I'm particularly interested in the iQ - it has great additional MPG potential that I'm curious to test myself. Since there appears to be worldwide coverage of your blogs, I encourage you to continue to present this additional info as we would like to keep the "hypermiling" message clear and helpful to all. If you are open to suggestions and 'advanced tips', drop me a note.

    Best regards,

    - Wayne
     
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Flatty:

    ___That would have been nice if Simon had done exactly that before the fires were started all over the Internet. I tire of having to try and put them out when they should not have been started in the first place. This is one example of somebody not only starting the fire given what they titled their event as, but adding gasoline to it with the results achieved. How many iQ sales were lost all due to a misplaced title :(

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  7. flatty

    flatty Member

    Wayne: You're not going to be able to cover them all. Don't bother if one gets lit off.

    This site is on everyone's list; people are messed up by advanced techniques vs. the easy ones giving +25-30%. Might be good to set up a "Media" page to make it easy for them to understand and contact you.

    - Charlie
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Flatty:

    ___On the top left of every single page that can be called up, here it is: What is Hypermiling? If only Simon would not have used Hypermiling in his title :(

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2009
  9. JusBringIt

    JusBringIt Be Inspired

    That's what I was thinking after reading.
     
  10. voodoo22

    voodoo22 Cheaper than the bus

    Hi Wayne,

    I guess one major problem with people using the term hypermiling is that it's a little general and can cover too many bases.

    I for example am no where in yours and many others league on Cleanmpg when it comes to getting max FE, but in the eyes of many on the net and in my private life, I'm a freak hypermiler who doesn't drive in the real world.

    Technically if you break the EPA for your car by .01% you're a hypermiler right? I think this is where the class system of hypermilers you developed is important. People should represent their true abilities as to not hurt what you've started here.

    I would have wished these guys in the UK would have stated more that they were going to try and hypermile, but really had no idea how to do it.

    I guarantee that I could out hypermile these guys numbers, but that still wouldn't be fair to your cause, because you could come and blow my numbers away.
     

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