Review of a 2009 Corolla w/ a stick … for 4 days

Discussion in 'Toyota' started by xcel, Jun 12, 2008.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___I have a clinic to perform with a WSJ reporter this Saturday and Toyota is supplying me with a Corolla w/ a stick for the same. Any requests wrt to the Corolla for the review?

    ___Good Luck

  2. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    Wayne, I have that same car.
    But, sorry, English please -- "wrt"?
    P.S. Man I can't wait to see the results of this. :D
    Been looking to break out of my 45 mpg rut & into the 50s. Go man go. :D
  3. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    If wrt means "with respect to" then yes, I have a couple requests. 1) Best fe method from a dead stop on country roads, shift points, etc. 2) Drive hilly back country 55-60 mph roads, and post techniques, results, please. 3) How do you know before you're about to be lugging the engine (IOW before the valves start clattering, LOL), what loads @ what rpm (know what I mean? The distance between 2000 rpm and lugging is small.).
    Until I think of something else, I'll leave it in your hands. You're the expert, and the reason we're all here. Rock on... :cool:
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Brother:

    ___I will do my best. I am planning on finding some decent Low (second and third) and Mid-speed (third and fourth) P&G numbers. I will do some work from a stop to lower speed highway and of course what she is worth on the Interstates here in IL as well? If you think of anything else, by all means post it! I wish I had a few more days with it as 4 days through a weekend is way to short :(

    ___Toyota is having it driven in from Detroit for the WSJ clinic and I might be able to coax them to allow me to drive it back and than take the Amtrak back to Chicago and Metra back home again? It would probably be best that I drive it rather than some guy whose job it is to shuttle cars from Detroit to Chicago and back at the EPA or lower :ccry:

    ___What else … I have not been specifically guaranteed it is an 09 with a stick but Shannon (Toyota’s Midwest Press Fleet Manager) requested those specs and the transport specialist did not give me any reason to believe it would be anything else? As soon as it arrives, I will change the oil, press up the tires and throw in an SG-II as well as compare to the built in OEM FCD. Pics next to the 03 for a sort of comparison as well …

    ___Good Luck

  5. Vooch

    Vooch Well-Known Member

    only one scan ?
  6. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    Yeah! Way to go, Wayne... :D
    Yeah I wonder about that myself. My tanks don't look near as good as my FCD readings; may have to get a SG myself sometime...
    It's probably an '09, as that is what they are presently marketing -- the 10th gen Rolla. They're just selling the '08s off.
    Good luck, and I anxiously look forward to seeing your results. I'm pretty sure I'll realize better FE after reading your experience with / impressions of the car. :D
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Vooch:

    ___Nahhh, she'll have two ;) One with the X-Gauge aMPG, iMPG, LOD and TPS and on the second, Coolant Temp, VLT, IGN and possibly MAP.

    ___Good Luck

  8. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    Oh, oil? I have like 1500 miles on my car, so of course Toyota's oil is in it. Whatever that is...
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Brother:
    ___First thing to go ;)

    ___It arrives about 10:00 AM on Friday so first thing is a trip to Wally World to pick up a SuperTec and get her OEM moly loaded fluid changed out to the good stuff!

    ___A quick question for you if you would not mind or know? How much beyond the rated cap of 13.2 gallons does it hold? IIRC, the 03 would hold ~ 14.2 but I have not filled it since turning it over to my son years ago?

    ___Lastly, I just checked and saw the 2.4L XRS is also available with a stick. I sure hope this is the Std. or S with the 1.8L I4? I would not know what to do with a 2.4L ICE in a 2,800# vehicle other than push it to numbers the 1.8L could achieve in its sleep :rolleyes:

    ___Good Luck

    Last edited: Jun 12, 2008
  10. warthog1984

    warthog1984 Well-Known Member

    Generally, The tank's rated capacity and the line will hold an extra ~1gal before the engine starves.
  11. buster

    buster Member

    I live it everyday. :(

    Can't wait for the review!
  12. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    Sorry, Wayne I cannot tell you. The car is too new. And I don't know how to answer that anyhow. I do know that today I filled it to where a tablespoonful ran out and collected in the rubber around the filler, without any overflowing onto the paint, lol. But no, without running it dry, I don't know how to tell.

    Be interested to know what oil are you putting in? Also why they're using molybdenum in brand new engines. Don't know if good or bad, just seems like hmm... moly for break-in? I'm no expert. I dunno. Maybe. Years ago ppl were using moly in new firearms. I got out of all that and don't know how that shook out.

  13. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    This looks like it has good possibilities! I'm disappointed by the reduction in EPA ratings for the new Corolla, but maybe there are some hidden gems in that thing. :D

    I'm interested in ergonomics (leg, head, and steering room along with reach to the shifter), feel of the shifter (stiff? light? firm? sloppy?), clutch pedal travel, brake modulation feel, and amount of torque for P&G work. Coasting distance would be good too. My Elantra just loves P&G and has plenty of low down torque for it -- I'm curious how the new Corolla is in that respect?

    Idle GPH? ECU reboot time? Lights on or off in ACC? Battery capacity for FASing with the lights on? Bump start feel? What is the lowest speed you can manage a smooth bumpstart? Braking feel when using just the E-Brake? Cornering at higher speeds and pressures?
  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Sean:

    ___You are going to put me to work this weekend aren't you ;) The ergonomics have improved tremendously vs. the previous gen simply due to the seat height adjuster and tilt/telescopic wheel. The 03 - 08 had a problem with the ergonomic layout of the front seat position to the wheel causing you to long arm and short leg the poor thing. Tiring over the long haul but sitting in the 09 at the Auto shows earlier this year and last told me Toyota did a lot of work on that issue.

    ___My main “want to know” is the clutch action. Is it like the Yaris’ on-off like switch (Brian had a great term for that?) or is there going to be a std. feel with a little more play and forgiveness?

    ___I received the Monroney for the incoming Corolla a few hours ago so tomorrow might be a lot of fun once I top it off and go for a ride :) Fortunately, it is a stick. Unfortunately, it is the XRS with the Camry’s 2.4. The only thing missing is NAVI from what I can tell? I will not do the oil change given it is the 2.4 but I will try and find out what the large I4 in the compact is worth one way or the other?

    2009 Toyota Corolla 4-door sedan XRS


    ___Good Luck

    Last edited: Jun 13, 2008
  15. bomber991

    bomber991 Well-Known Member

    For all the single guys out there, let them know how many chicks you can pick up with a shiny new corolla. :D

    Seriously though, I'm just curious about how the built int fcd compares to the scangauge. Does it update quicker than the sg? Does it let you view currnet, tank, and instant? Or is it like the prius with just instant and tank?
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Justin:

    ___Santa came to the Gerdes household a little early this year ;)

    ___I am very interested in that as well! I just don’t think I can punch a tank through her in 4 days nor would I want to? I have the clinic tomorrow and afterwards may take a trip down to Indiana to catch up on the FE World Championship road course and planning so that will certainly give me some time to spend behind the wheel?

    ___Toyota’s car handling service (my friend Lou of A&M) dropped off the Corolla right on time as he usually does and although I did not get the chance to take it to my favorite pic spot with some sun (overcast pics suck ;)), I thought I may as well get this started …

    Next to Old Faithful… That being the Accord of course ;)

    She does have a sporty appearance if I do say so myself.

    Best news of all. She came shod w/ the Bridgestone Turenza’s vs. the GoodYears with a max-sidewall of 51 psi.​

    ___Unfortunately, I have to be in downtown Chicago for an in-studio live interview this afternoon and will not be able to take her for a ride until later tonight :( They preferred to pick me up vs. me driving down for some reason :confused:

    ___Good Luck

  17. kmactavi

    kmactavi Well-Known Member

    Wayne, they heard how fast you drive, and decided that they wanted you to actually appear on the live show, not an hour later. ;)

  18. buster

    buster Member

    I'm selfishly glad that you got the 2.4. This is only because I have the same engine in my car, and I'd like to see what your impressions are. :D

    Looking forward to reading your review!
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Kirk:
    ___Oh you are funny :D :D :D

    ___The show was going to be Cavuto Live and we were going to go head to head on the drafting and rolling stops non-sense that keeps going around. Boy was I ready! Unfortunately, Tim Russert of NBC passed away suddenly. I was in the Makeup chair when they canceled all their afternoon segments.

    ___About the Corolla XRS. My wife and I are talking about heading out to dinner so it will be my first time behind the wheel.

    ___Good Luck

    Last edited: Jun 14, 2008
  20. brother

    brother Well-Known Member

    Wayne, I should have said something about the 'drive by wire' accelerator. Maybe it's commonplace nowadays and just new to me. But you have to let your foot off the gas way before disengaging the clutch or the engine will "race" a little. Can't be good for FE. I've had this car three weeks and still having trouble getting used to that. Maybe that's not a function of DBW, but whatever it is it is a bit aggravating.
    Good luck and have fun with the car. :cool:

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