Discussion in 'The Daily Grind' started by lamebums, May 24, 2008.
Doesn't last December's energy bill make E10 a requirement nation wide
Well... my station was non-ethanol last week, for whatever that's worth.
It's possible but we as a whole nation are nowhere close to having the corn ethanol capacity (burning food as fuel is a really dumb idea) or the infrastructure to make a nationwide E10 requirement.
"Food for Fuel" just isn't the case. We don't eat Field Corn, and Ethanol is a BY PRODUCT of the processing, all of the grain is left (wet or dry) for animal feed, only the starch/sugars are removed. By current calculations from the Govt, Sweet Corn nets $989.86 per acre and Field Corn nets $558.76 per acre - given the reality of a free market economy, no farmer who is in their right mind would switch from Food Corn to Fuel Corn without a specific, market driven reason. The Media is blowing this so out of proportion with misinformation (or disinformation) it is rediculous.
E10 will ALWAYS result in a reduced MPG unless the stoich AFR is corrected and the timing changed to take advantage of the way E10 burns. It isn't gas, and treating it the same as gas is where the issue lies. Same with E85 - I see a 12% drop in FE, but a 24% reduction in cost - still a win.
Florida has started adding up to 10% ethanol at all the stations I been to now. After getting 61.8mpg at the MPG Challenge in Debbie Katz's FEH on E-10, I thought my fuel trim maps would adjust in my FEH here. No luck, I am still seeing at least a 10% drop in MPG after 4 tanks.
If Debbie was running E-10 RFG, it was the rolling hills that boosted my mileage with the techniques I used.
I don't know if anyone else has notice the change, but it appears many of the older vehicles are have cold starting and idle problems. One guy I know said he had to have his 02 sensors cleaned to solve the problem. I now view ethanol as a clear scam by Big Oil and will vote against those who support it.
I read on another forum (I'm sorry I can't remember which one right now) that higher compression engines aren't as poorly affected by E10 as other engines. One poster mentioned having a compression ratio of 9.5:1. After I did some research I found out that thats the same compression my engine has.
Updated with another tank of regular, 100% gasoline.
Updated with another tank of regular gas. This is the first entirely post-WFEC.
What do you think goes into Corn Flakes (and all other corn based cereals), taco shells, cornbread (and any other bakery products made from corn flour), corn oil, corn starch, corn syrup, and high fructose corn syrup? Every time you drink a Coke you are consuming a highly processed form of field corn. Sweet corn is sold in the produce section of the grocery store, but any of the other corn-based items found in a grocery store are derived from field corn.
Well, after going thru this thread, I think my next fillup will be at the Casey's Station, where I can get straight gas for a dime more per gallon, and see how that goes.
Seems Governers of states have no mechanical back ground. Don't all cars now have 02 sensors. To oxinginate the fuel is pointless because almost no cars on the road today have a carbarator. The engine management system controls the burn period. To add to the fuel less btu equivlant (alcohol) is really only to increase tax revenue and nothing else. That works good when you are the Governer and need more tax money but hurts the rest of us. Why does diesel cost more it takes less refining. Answer even with the added cost of removing the sulfer diesels are more efficint so now the price is really related to the btu that the fuel has rather than the cost of getting it to the pump. And why do we pay a sales tax on top of federal exsise tax and state tax or a tax on a tax on a tax.Who else is aware?
Updated with another tank of regular gas.
I'll add a little data to this:
My best ever tank: 66.6 mpg, straight gas, before E10 came to my area
Average all summer: 62.8 mpg, E10
Last two tanks: 65 mpg, straight gas. I found one station without ethanol.
Interesting to note that these last two tanks are in the cool/cold of winter, compared to the summer spent with E10. So the difference is even larger than what appears from just the numbers.
It's all about increasing fuel taxes through stealth measures. The average schmuck doesn't track their gas mileage. 95% of the population has no idea they are really buying more gas because of the E10. So 12,000 miles at 18 mpg = 667 gallons X .50 in taxes = $333.5
in taxes. Using the same numbers with gas mileage dropping by 10% with E10 (16.2 mpg)we now are using 741 gallons per year. $370 in fuel taxes. Poof we just jumped our revenue by 10% with out jumping fuel taxes by 10%.
When it comes to the Government follow the money.
^ Unfortunately, your analysis is probably right on.
Know of any places we can get regular gasoline in Pittsburgh?
The only station that I know that isn't selling E10 is the Exxon by me.
BP, Amoco, Sunoco, Citgo are all selling E10.
I haven't checked the local CoGo's or a Sheetz to see if they are selling E10.
I'd really like to try straight gas in my '09 FEH, but Florida has mandated E10. I've been even checking with marinas and could only find 93 octane Valve-Tech which has other additives for $2.90 a gallon and one marina with 89 octane straight gas for $3.05 a gallon. The owner of the marina with 89 octane said he has to change to E10 real soon.
No wonder this Country is in such a economic mess.
Where's the Exxon located? I just noticed that the Shell station on Baum Blvd. (which I go to regularly) has E10. So does the GetGo, I think.
Dormont, corner of West Liberty and Pioneer across from the Saturn Dealer.
"Never attribute to malice that which can adequadely be explained by stupidity."
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think that most people (including most of our leaders) don't really have a clue about what E10 does in the real world. The leaders just believe what they've been fed by the lobbyists. They would likely pay attention if not doing so would decrease revenues noticeably, but since that isn't the case they don't feel the need to.
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